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Physiology & Medicine / What is the science of gender designation?

« on: 05/03/2017 21:14:40 »

I was watching a short discussion the other day and one of the speakers stated that "Science is behind the statement that "there is no gender, save the one we choose for ourselves"

Was wondering what scientists had to say about the claim?

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Just Chat! / Re: What should be done about the Wall street Journal?

« on: 04/03/2017 02:56:13 »

I think it's pretty shocking, the only thing that can be done is for people to protest using purchasing power and if they are offended then stop buying the publication.

I couldnt agree more

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Just Chat! / What should be done about the Wall street Journal?

« on: 01/03/2017 20:46:19 »

Wall steret Journal is currently employing three Journalists that are the poster childs of "the Daily Stormer"

Even worse than that, the web site is today the number one fan site for the Wall Street Journal itself.

The Daily Stormer is considered, by some to be "the worse hate sites on the internet, in America"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96BQ1eE9F60

Does the Wall street Journal know this? If they do, Why have the not spoken out about it? and why are they employing journalists of this calibre? One of them is reported to have made jokes about Jews, black people.

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Just Chat! / Re: What is your favourite line from the movie 'Tombstone'?

« on: 26/02/2017 01:21:41 »

"Why Ick, What ever do you mean?"

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Just Chat! / Re: Did the US Government plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks?

« on: 23/02/2017 20:41:12 »

Once you have ignited it, an aluminum aircraft burns at about 3800 C, quite hot enough to melt steel. And of course you don't need to melt steel to make a building collapse: blacksmiths have been working it at red heat  (650 - 950 C) for thousands of years.

Until 9/11, it was very easy for student pilots to get US visas. All you had to do was declare "purpose of visit: pilot  training" and if you already held a private pilot licence and had a place on a commercial course in the USA, no questions were asked.

Thats all very nice but, not what happened here is it.

It's  a fairly accurate precis, supported by film evidence and pilot training records.

Water-Tight, then. Only left with the issues that Al-CIA-da as Alex Jones calls them, was invented by the FBI in a Manhatten court room, Bin laden most likly died back in 2002(there are CIA agents that claims as much).
 
Non of the Hyjacked planes could be shot down by Fighter Jets because they were all but 9, off on a Drill on 9-11 pretending to stop hyjacked planes.
The Pentagons air defences all decided not to work, and Bush jr just decided to allow all the Bin-Larden family members in America to get on a plane a leave the next morning.

The world trde center was only insured a month before the attacks.and some how with out any investigation of what actually had happened they knew who did that very afternoon.
The list of funny coinsidences  just pile up and up arround 9-11. Just like Magic metal theory.... 

Thank God Trumps a 9-11 truther. Might actually see a real investigation resulting with Bush and Cheney on trial; oh may<be thats why Cheney is trying to undo Trump from the shaddows.

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Just Chat! / Re: Did the US Government plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks?

« on: 23/02/2017 05:56:14 »

9/11 Twin Towers Thermal Video - NIST culmulus release FEB 2011 Infraspection 5.avi

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Just Chat! / Re: Did the US Government plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks?

« on: 23/02/2017 04:56:32 »

Once you have ignited it, an aluminum aircraft burns at about 3800 C, quite hot enough to melt steel. And of course you don't need to melt steel to make a building collapse: blacksmiths have been working it at red heat  (650 - 950 C) for thousands of years.

Until 9/11, it was very easy for student pilots to get US visas. All you had to do was declare "purpose of visit: pilot  training" and if you already held a private pilot licence and had a place on a commercial course in the USA, no questions were asked.

Thats all very nice but, not what happened here is it.

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Just Chat! / Re: Did the US Government plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks?

« on: 23/02/2017 04:54:12 »

Pointing out that burning jet fuel can, in ideal circumstances get 600 degrees hotter than you need for melting steel does, in fact, show that you can melt steel with burning jet fuel.
Putting some steel wool in a candle flame pretty much seals the argument
So when you say "Bored you do not know, ", you are lying again.

I sware you get worse, Bored you do not know what actually happened inside the world Trade center that day, know one does, save those involved if it was an inside Job.
FACT! You are terrible.

You might want to try searching with the correct spelling - steel- if you want better information about it.

Visas are granted by the department of state, not the CIA.

Not the issue. None of them should have been given one, under State department rules. And the CIA is the only agency in America allowed to give Visas to who ever they want to.  What is the point? You are not actually discussing anything you are prevaricating, most will see if they bother to read this thread.

In WWII we discovered that you can teach most fit healthy young men to fly a plane well enough to drop bombs on the enemy.
Crash landing one is, in principle, even easier.
Calling them cave dwellers with box cutters doesn't add to the discussion; it's a lie.

Not at all the plans were hatched out suposedly in Afganistan in cave and other training camps. As for the Hyjackers some of them alledged to be invloved were shown to still be alive, and living in the middle east.   

You can check out their histories- for example one was an architect; which is not a bad choice for a qualification for the role of dive bomber if you want to destroy a building.

The case of WT7 is such dross that even the Daily fail knows it is nonsense.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056088/Footage-kills-conspiracy-theories-Rare-footage-shows-WTC-7-consumed-fire.html

Doent kill anything.

Seem to me pretty obvious you´ll defend the government conspiracy no matter what, is that out of cowardice? Or you hope for a reward?

Doesnt seem very scientific to be soo unskeptical

15 Years Later, Physics Journal Concludes: All 3 WTC Towers Collapsed Due to Controlled Demolition
Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/physics-study-911-controlled-demolition/#lAH7QydPx7w7bFRg.99

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Just Chat! / Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?

« on: 21/02/2017 00:10:32 »

Trump probably thinks chemtrails invaded Sweden.

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Just Chat! / Re: Was faking of tempreture data about global warming, a Malthusian project?

« on: 21/02/2017 00:07:20 »

Well in terms of Crops I would suggest building insultated growing centers of some type that would be able to produce Crops, even if there was a very low amount of sun light- So with Artificial sun light, And also able to grow and protect crops during a Necular winter.


Reducting consumption would also reduce tax, I would advocate for less waste in packaging and more easily recyclable products. Combined with more eco friendly products to start with.

Do you have the slightest idea how much power it would take to produce the "artificial sunlight"?
You might as well say we could solve the problem by saying we could fertilise the crops with unicorn poop.

Well Unicorn poop is a good manure, but there arnt that many unicorns arround, you could maybe get some from the zoo, not sure how much they produce, but Zoos do often want rid of it.

"Reducting consumption would also reduce tax,"
Utter bollocks
Taxes are stet by governments, not wastefulness.

"Utter bollocks" of all the silly things I have heard you say this has got to be one of the best. People make products for consumption, bussiness make products for consumption, Wages, profits, sales all taxed at some level. Are you sure you are feeling ok?

Most of your questions are not meaningful enough to answer. would you like to try rephrasing them?

Really?

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Just Chat! / Re: Did the US Government plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks?

« on: 20/02/2017 23:56:50 »

"No one suggested all the steal melted away. The question which you did not bother to answer- Was is a fire on the 92 floor and above able to melt or distablize all of the steal on the 90 something floors below? Enought to cause a free fall."
It didn't need to: someone dropped a building on them.

"Why keep on about this topic? "
You raised it- that cartoon- remember?
I kept trying to shut it down because it's based on the lie that jet fuel fires can't melt steel.
It was you who brought up the lie again.
Then, when I called you out for telling that tired old lie again you "doubled down" and you tried to pretend that it would matter that a fire will never quite reach the adiabatic temperature. In the real world, the fire gets close enough.

Bored you do not know, I do not know. You are arguing about it being "possible", "Getting close enough´implies you accept that it probably didnt reach an adiabatic temperature, but close enought. Considering that neither of us actually know how much of the fuel was lost in the explosion from initial impact, it´s all a speculation.     

And again you avoid the actual question. 90 floors of high quality constuction steal, you now claim were squashed by the upper floors- squashed at free fall speed- really?

So, why not simply admit that you are prepared to say things that you know are misleading or dishonest in order to support this daft conspiracy?

I would acuse you of the same thing by stating adiabatic temperature- you know as a chemist there would be heat loss- esspecially if it´s melting and heating  the steal of over a 100 floors. 

The idea that a bunch of cave dwellers with box cutters could get round the American Visa system under which all of them should have been denied entry to the U.S,(althought the CIA is allowed to grant visa the only agency with that right actually) were then able to train in flying planes and sucessfully manage to hyjack and crash them as planned, and some how 3 building just fell over.  And all done because apparently some muslims wanted the West to destroy their countries, the genius of these people.

That´s a conspiracy theory also.   You again said nothing about WT7 why is that?.

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Just Chat! / Re: Some things I wonder about

« on: 19/02/2017 02:32:35 »

True Jolly, not everyone would vote on everything, but, you think we do now? You might want to set some percentage for the really important questions to be voted on, if not enough people are interested in it, it goes to a 'new round'. And it puts a lot of importance on those presenting the issues. that different 'parties' have their own interests are one thing, but the presentation from a democratic government on those issues needs to be 'clean' and to the bone. Most of the farming that is done today is only possible through the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process

Without the world will look very different.

Well ever consider how similar the world is, with all the different countries they are all following the same path- why would that be?

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Just Chat! / Re: Did the US Government plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks?

« on: 18/02/2017 22:57:05 »

Very cute- but remember- it doesn't have to melt- just go a bit weak at the knees.

Also, burning jet fuel has an adiabatic flame temperature of about 2100C

Which could only be achieved if there is NO heat loss to the surroundings.

The melting point of steel is somewhere around 1500C
It's simply a lie to say that a jet fuel fire can't melt steel.

Ok but the Plane hit imbetween 92nd to 98th floors on WTC1 So is a Fire above the 92nd Floor(heat rises) able to Melt the steal in the foundations and all the other 90 floors imbetween? In your professional oppinion?

Building 7 was not hit by a plane- had no Jet fuel- explination?

Given that it simply isn't true, why are people still going on about it.

Maybe because in certain controlled cercumstances you can get Fuel to exteremly high tempertures, but that does not account for what happened.

Could it be that they don't have any real basis for their claims?

Do you? Although it´s true they are not your claims- You are just following the Conspiracy the Bush administarion put out.

The 911 comminsion found no evidence of Explosives during their investigation, But what also interesting is that they did not look for explosives during thier investigation.

"Which could only be achieved if there is NO heat loss to the surroundings. "
That's pretty much the state of affairs in the middle of a big fire.
the only thing round it is a fire- and that's very nearly as hot as it is, so it can't lose heat to it.

Well if you bother to look at the Video fottage you´ll notice you do not really see fire, most of the Jet fuel was probably lost in the initial explosion after the Plane hit.

And there's still the rather big difference between 2100C and 1500 C to account for.

In the real world you can melt steel with  burning jet fuel.



"Ok but the Plane hit imbetween 92nd to 98th floors on WTC1 So is a Fire above the 92nd Floor(heat rises) able to Melt the steal in the foundations and all the other 90 floors imbetween? In your professional oppinion? "

Did you notice that the building fell down?

Yes the Arguement is that the FIre above the 90th floors wa able to melt the Steal structure causing a colapse.  What part are you having trouble with?
 

The fire ended up in the basement with everything else.

And your point?

Not  all the steel got melted anyway so you are asking for an explanation of an event that only happened in your imagination.

No one suggested all the steal melted away. The question which you did not bother to answer- Was is a fire on the 92 floor and above able to melt or distablize all of the steal on the 90 something floors below? Enought to cause a free fall.

Why keep banging on about it?

Why keep on about this topic?

Probably because there is enough evidence to call for an international invetigation into what actually happened. Maybe you missed that a Group of Architechs and engineers have just published a paper stating a conculsion that all three building were brough down as a controlled demolition.

If true, that means demolition teams had to go into these building before 9-11 and rig the buildings to blow up!

Now what kind of sick people would think this kind of event up and actually have the nerve to carry it out?

There are seriuos issues here and if it was a controlled demolition and the people responsible are allowed to get away with it, what are the next feats of Horror they are prepared to engage in?

If there is any chance that this was a flase flag terrorist event, those responsible must be brought to justice and I care not how powerful or important they are or consider themselves to be!

If this was a manufactured event, those who defend the lies surrounding it, are also defending the monsters that carried it out, thought it up and who will do it again!

Whats next? Droping Nukes and pretending Iran did it?     

How does it go ´All evil needs to rule is for good people to sit back and do nothing´

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Just Chat! / Re: Some things I wonder about

« on: 17/02/2017 22:43:01 »

Make it a statement if you too wonder.

1. why don't we use the Internet to vote, and make our votes at a regular time, meaning at what you're interested in. We could create a system without 'politicians', but we don't?

You would basically be giving those with control over the internet, complete power. Not everyone would vote anyway. And who but politicians and burocrates would decide what was to be voted on anyway?

2. Why do people think that making it unbearable for those needing a car, for work, or just to make the day, will stop the pollution we have?

Only something like 25% of poultion comes from the population and their activities. Farming and business pratice accounts for the majority of the rest, If everyone drove electric cars, didnt shower, or waste stuff only 25% of the problem would be impacted. 

2.a As a suggestion to the last, make public services 'smart' at any time of the day, and cheap instead.

(and I think we all know the real answer, it's a cheap way to increase incomes without increasing taxes Also 'stating' that you 'do something'.)

Looking at it the wrong way round our corporate over lords love anything that will reduce taxes, less tax money means less funds for the government, more debts more selling off of public property  and so less influence for that government and the population that government is ment to represent. 

I do have some more, but I hope you too have thoughts on what makes you wonder.

I wonder how people are soo blind to real issues we face.

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Just Chat! / Re: Did the US Government plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks?

« on: 17/02/2017 01:16:07 »

Very cute- but remember- it doesn't have to melt- just go a bit weak at the knees.

Also, burning jet fuel has an adiabatic flame temperature of about 2100C

Which could only be achieved if there is NO heat loss to the surroundings.

The melting point of steel is somewhere around 1500C
It's simply a lie to say that a jet fuel fire can't melt steel.

Ok but the Plane hit imbetween 92nd to 98th floors on WTC1 So is a Fire above the 92nd Floor(heat rises) able to Melt the steal in the foundations and all the other 90 floors imbetween? In your professional oppinion?

Building 7 was not hit by a plane- had no Jet fuel- explination?

Given that it simply isn't true, why are people still going on about it.

Maybe because in certain controlled cercumstances you can get Fuel to exteremly high tempertures, but that does not account for what happened.

Could it be that they don't have any real basis for their claims?

Do you? Although it´s true they are not your claims- You are just following the Conspiracy the Bush administarion put out.

The 911 comminsion found no evidence of Explosives during their investigation, But what also interesting is that they did not look for explosives during thier investigation.

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Just Chat! / Re: Was faking of tempreture data about global warming, a Malthusian project?

« on: 15/02/2017 23:21:41 »

I think we are getting slightly off topic,

Lets say that we do stop human releases of CO2 to a degree the scientists are arguing for and we go far more into Solar technology.

What is that going to mean if we hit a Solar minium in 2030 and go into a mini-ice age? Solar Cells will only be producing about 40% of the electricity compared to what they currently do and Crops will be failing everywhere.

Do you not think it would be prudent to take sets to prepare for that just incase?

OK: what do you actually propose that we do?

Well in terms of Crops I would suggest building insultated growing centers of some type that would be able to produce Crops, even if there was a very low amount of sun light- So with Artificial sun light, And also able to grow and protect crops during a Necular winter.

Do you think that reducing consumption, looking to things like tidal and even nuclear power and so on would help in that scenario? (Hint: yes they would).

Reducting consumption would also reduce tax, I would advocate for less waste in packaging and more easily recyclable products. Combined with more eco friendly products to start with.

OK lets do them then.
It's this all over again
http://greenmonk.net/2010/01/07/what-if-we-create-a-better-world-for-nothing/

There are no garentees in any of this- Define "better world".

Still you have not answered the other questions I asked you.

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Just Chat! / Re: Was faking of tempreture data about global warming, a Malthusian project?

« on: 15/02/2017 00:04:16 »

MIT Climate Scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen Mocks 97% Consensus: ‘It is propaganda’

http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/02/15/mit-climate-scientist-dr-richard-lindzen-mocks-97-consensus-it-is-propaganda/

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Just Chat! / Re: Did the US Government plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks?

« on: 14/02/2017 22:02:24 »

Happy Valentines

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Just Chat! / Re: Was faking of tempreture data about global warming, a Malthusian project?

« on: 14/02/2017 21:01:02 »

I think we are getting slightly off topic,

Lets say that we do stop human releases of CO2 to a degree the scientists are arguing for and we go far more into Solar technology.

What is that going to mean if we hit a Solar minium in 2030 and go into a mini-ice age? Solar Cells will only be producing about 40% of the electricity compared to what they currently do and Crops will be failing everywhere.

Do you not think it would be prudent to take sets to prepare for that just incase?

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Just Chat! / Re: Was faking of tempreture data about global warming, a Malthusian project?

« on: 11/02/2017 23:01:13 »

So wow 97% of scientist apparetly believe in global warming- I debate if that is a true statement- sounds more like consenus propoganda to me- too little skepticism- For science.

You doubt it- in spite of the fact that it is well documentedly supported by evidence.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm


OK
So you are not dong science.
If you are not doing science you are on the wrong web page- we can simply ignore everything you say.

Bored- "Science achieves a consensus when scientists stop arguing."

So then there is no Consensus William Happer disagrees, as does Ivar Giaever. And Tol

https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/15624-cooking-climate-consensus-data-97-of-scientists-affirm-agw-debunked
"Tol lists around 50 of those researchers who were “dropped.” These, of course, represent only a small sampling of the thousands of scientists who have expressed various levels of disagreement with the hysterical climate pronouncements of the IPCC, Al Gore, and John Cook."

1000s- if Thousand of Scientists are disagreeing then there is definately no consenus.

What do you say to Ivar Giaever statement 8,45 to 10.22

  "for the last 19 years the tempreture has not gone up.... So what did the people that measure temp do with that? Well here is the latest temp they have now measured- it goes up.  How can that be? When I have just showed you that there has not been a rise in tempreture?.... Well the reason for that, is that they now include the Ocean, but for a hundread years the ocean has not been included"