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Just Chat! / Negative freedom how does it work?

« on: 11/08/2010 13:04:30 »

Isiah Belin: Positive and negative freedom.


A negative freedom is a freedom under constraints. and a positive freedom is a freedom without constraints.


We live in a negative freedom society, we are free with certain constraints placed upon us, Why because positive freedoms cause revolutions, and so to prevent revolution constraints are placed upon us- and so we live in a negative freedom society.


Ideas is what Belin believes causes ultimately revolution, as such our ideas must be constrained- for if they are not a revolution could happen.


Right, now here is Joe having ideas that should be constrained.


Step one, take his mind off it (circus). Doesn't work he carries on thinking


Step two, keep him busy(active circus) employment as an agent for the pig forexample-Doesnt work


Step three, tell him its a silly idea- doesn't work


Please note the old way was to kill them- for being revolutionaries- even though they dont know that.


So now all different ways of trying to stop them do not work.


Now they start drugging them- in negative freedom terms they are crazy and going against the security of the system, are they crazy? no they are just freely thinking and nothing else.


Here we come to presumptive consent.


They drug you, and the person starts to act funny, then they go to your guardian and say: "You son, husband, wife etc is acting rather funny, would you give us permission to help them? The guardian says yes you are right they are acting funny, OK" after of course a discussion of what that entails(how honest are those that ask for presumptive consent? do not forget that the guardian is also under the constraint of negative freedom and so blind).


They then drug the crap out of you, and you loose it completely and get bundled off to a mentel home- the people that got presumptive consent tell your guardian "Well we tried our best to help them but clearlywe didnt catch them soon enought to stop the inevitable"


Then placed on prescription drugs the person becomes a drulling zombie, a slow thinker, a simpleton, and that will be forever, for should they come off the drug and statrt thinking the same things again they will be put back on the meds, either way as soon as they come on to the list of "people that think too much"(revolutionaries- without knowing it) they will always be watched and monitored- for life till death- with no opportunity for escape from that- forever!


And why does this all happen? Simply to protect the position of those that rule- for the problem with revolution is that those that rule would stop ruling and someone else would- negative freedom keeps those in charge, in charge. It entire purpose, no change those who rule over a negative free society rule forever- for there is never a revolution and so heads never change, except from father to son of course.


See now why those that rule love Berlin, he keeps them on top forever.


You add ideological slavery(captiaism) to this, along with shodocracy- you pretty much have the place you live in, an ideological prison and slave state, that anyone who opposes it- is removed one way or the other.


SICK IS NOT THE WORD FOR THIS.


AS for presumptive consent. What if the person that gives presumptive consent is an agent for those that are carring out, either the study or the drugging etc? And I think you can see there, especially when all guardians in a negative free society are blind- none of them can effectively decided properly and therefore- none of them can really give consent- the whole thing is a total sham and a lie. Just like the system itself!

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Just Chat! / A place for poems

« on: 22/03/2010 19:21:14 »

well this poem isn't over
why no it's just begun.
Who is anyone to give stars
to the son poking its head round your curtain?
Don't you know all the pigs
kick the bucket in the end,
in the end, even if your computer does love them.

Blame who you like but be sure
daddy isn't dead, Daddy cool.

Hip till someone leaves?
Still sucking snowcomes
from a padded cell.
So to all who write songs without words
why waste mine.

Just a Hitano, calling all
to the bud off the tree.
Still don't go far enough.

What if they make the same mistake starshell?
Get in line, Got a problem.

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Just Chat! / A place for poems

« on: 22/03/2010 19:15:19 »

if you have a poem please place it here

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Just Chat! / What is your favorite past time and can you share it with us?

« on: 08/03/2010 19:10:27 »

I have always enjoyed sewing writing and singing.. to myself anyway.. I like the idea of Scrap booking and have bought all the things to get started but still have not really got very far at all.
I bought a greenhouse I need someone to put together for me.. one of those snazy ones with the cool roof windows etc.. I want to try to green my thumb up in hopes it will be something I can do that will not require too much time on my feet .. I figured I can sit down to plant things in pots so that is my plan! Any volunteer building fellows or gals out there..? Its a kit...a big one..LOL

What little past time do you enjoy? Can you tell me about them? Maybe share some ideas with any that I may have also..?

Very well, I often find my self wondering around my back garden looking for twigs, fascinating things really ain't they, twigs. I can't get enough of them, often collect them into bunches and keep them under my bed. Other than that I do enjoy making yogurt, and I also have been known to make cheese-goats, which can be fun, a bit fiddly, making a goat out of cheese is no small feat.
Ohh and riding my bicycles, all at the same time, must dash.... 


 

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New Theories / Did we land on the moon?

« on: 25/10/2009 17:55:24 »

It could be both, they did go to the moon but they Faked the moon landing video etc to hide information from Russia.

So, in your opinion, are the examples of fakery that I posted really fakery?

Fakery is fakery, My point was about motivation.

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New Theories / Did we land on the moon?

« on: 25/10/2009 17:53:02 »

Cosmored, the moonlandings were real and reality. No doubt about that.
You say they were faked? Faked six times?! Think of the best special effects movies that you have ever seen. Now think of the inconsistensies or visual errors that even the casual uninformed audience can see in these films. Now think back to the sixties and the movies that were made then. Could NASA have produced such a fakery that it would not only stand up to the scrutiny of a 1969 audience, but also a whole generation of engineers and scientists familiar with the geologic studies of celestial bodies?

Cosmored, most people are smart enough to believe reputable engineers, geochemists, physicists, geologists, astronomers and astronauts from across the globe who, based on actual empirical evidence, state that the landings were a fact. Some people however believe some anonymous high-school dropouts who found everything they needed to conclude the moonlandings were a hoax from a few YouTube videos.

The Apollo missions were tracked by the Madrid Apollo Station, the Goldstone Tracking Station, the Jodrell Bank Observatory, the Chabot Observatory, the Corralitos Observatory, the Jewett Observatory, the Honeysuckle Creek station and the Bochum Sternwache. You say that all the hundreds of engineers and scientists at those stations were fools?
 
The point about conspiracy theories is, that’s all they are, theories. Anyone can start one and there are always some guys who will believe it. And if there is any aspect of the theory that does not fit, then ignore it. Considering there was a space race with the USSR going on at the time do you not you think the Soviets would found out about the hoax through their intelligence networks? And think of the amount of people who would have to be involved to set up this hoax and keep it secret, how would you be able to keep all those people quiet for all these years?

As GoneToPlaid wrote today, every one (EVERY ONE) of the hoax claims have been debunked so many times. Some very easily, some with the use of people specialized in photography, physics, engineering and so on.

I have heard that Stanly Kubric was employed to fake the Moon landing video. Not saying he was but I have heard it mentioned.

It was from NASA that he got the cameras to film 'Barry Lindon'.

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Just Chat! / Is the end nigh?

« on: 25/10/2009 14:45:26 »

The world is never going to end, As God promised Noah. Rather the world of injustice, the world of Men, the world of lies, illusion and hypocrisy.

Y-e-e-e-e-e-s-s    []

Peace be with you. stay awake. Fear not.

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Just Chat! / Is the end nigh?

« on: 25/10/2009 14:33:45 »

Uhh....  December 21, 2012 is a Friday.  Do you think that companies will provide that week's pay in advance so people could spend it?  If they don't, can we sue?   Am I being unreasonable about this?  []

Does money really matter? In the bigger scheme of things? Your question is rhetorical I take it. The world is never going to end, As God promised Noah. Rather the world of injustice, the world of Men, the world of lies, illusion and hypocrisy.
For only in a world of truth can you have justice. It is only fair and right that it does end, for, for far too long have men of pleasure, arrogance and insanity, dominated and hurt the people of this world; they if nothing else have shown clearly, just how unfit they are to rule.

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Just Chat! / Is the end nigh?

« on: 24/10/2009 20:39:05 »

Things are never what they seem, the end of one thing, is the beginning of something new, hardly end of the world, as you said the end of the world as you know it. But then maybe today you really don't know the world.

"You can't bend the spoon that's impossible, rather you must see the truth"

"Truth?"

"There is no spoon, then you will see that it is not the spoon that bends, but your mind"

I'm just here to say that, 'there is a spoon'
We use them to feed ourselves, to feed our children, to feed our friends and family members that can't for one reason or another, we can use them to play music, or flick peas at a sibling, and other enemies that stalk the dinner table, we can use them to serve the mash potato. so know it 'There is a spoon' 

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New Theories / Did we land on the moon?

« on: 24/10/2009 20:29:31 »

It still comes back to the fact that NASA would be totally and utterly discredited if, on a subsequent mission to the moon by some other nation, no evidence could be found of the original moon landings.

Until you can absolutely prove that these landings were faked, it must be taken that they were not.

That is hardly a good way of looking at it. If they were faked as you rightly say NASA and America would be totally discredited, so if they were faked, NASA would spend massive amounts of energy, to prove they were not. To seek a totality of proof, is hardly empirical, surely you look at all the facts and sit with the greatest weight of evidence.

It could be both, they did go to the moon but they Faked the moon landing video etc to hide information from Russia. That way everyone would be right. []

I'm still- with jury out, on the subject