[alancalverd]

The strength of quantum mechanics is that it degenerates to continuum mechanics for mesoscopic systems and is thus consistent with classical mechanics and everyday observation, whilst predicting phenomena that are not explained by ascribing continuum behavior to very small systems.

[Bored chemist]

Total nonsense.

That's religion for you.

[hamdani yusuf]

The strength of quantum mechanics is that it degenerates to continuum mechanics for mesoscopic systems and is thus consistent with classical mechanics and everyday observation, whilst predicting phenomena that are not explained by ascribing continuum behavior to very small systems.

How do you relate it to the topic of this thread?

[alancalverd]

It's actually a response to something you wrote on 21/9/21. Not sure what happened but my computer didn't display everything since then, so I just replied, almost a year late.

[MaxJonas]

Well, over the year I've studied this question so that I can answer it as religiously and correctly as possible.

[Peter11]

Science is simply human understanding of the enviroment a work in progress that has brought great advances.We would all be huddled around a fire in a cave without science..Explain how it is a relgion.

[Zer0]

It's actually a response to something you wrote on 21/9/21. Not sure what happened but my computer didn't display everything since then, so I just replied, almost a year late.

Better Late than Never!

P.S. - 😊

[William Hardy]

No, it is not.

[hamdani yusuf]

No, it is not.

What's your answer for the second question?

well if not why is it defended as though it were

[alancalverd]

It isn't.

AFAIK nobody has ever started a war or tortured anyone to death in defence of  F = Ma.

A few guys were excommunicated or even burned at the stake for suggesting such heresy, but that is the fault of religion, not science.

[Zer0]

Science is a Journey, towards the Truth...

Religion pretends & says you're already there.

(Random Internet Quote)
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[Peter11]

Religion is part of evolution and has been deeply embedded in humans from day 1.It plays its role like it or not evolving over time.You will just have to wait till it evolves out which is not going to happen for some time its still deeply embedded in human society.Unfortunately thats how it works.

[hamdani yusuf]

Why Facts Don't Change Minds

We often get into arguments with one another for millions of different reasons, but how often do we genuinely change the other persons mind? Most times, facts don't change minds. But if facts don't change minds, what does?

[hamdani yusuf]

Facts Don't Win Fights: Here’s How to Cut Through Confirmation Bias | Tali Sharot | Big Think

If you want someone to see an issue rationally, you just show them the facts, right? No one can refute a fact. Well, brain imaging and psychological studies are showing that, society wide, we may be on the wrong path by holding evidence up as an Ace card. Neuroscientist Tali Sharot and her colleagues have proven that reading the same set of facts polarizes groups of people even further, because of our in-built confirmation biases—something we all fall prey to, equally. In fact, Sharot cites research from Yale University that disproves the idea that the social divisions we are experiencing right now—over climate change, gun control, or vaccines—are somehow the result of an intelligence gap: smart people are just as illogical, and what's more, they are even more skilled at skewing data to align with their beliefs. So if facts aren't the way forward, what is? There is one thing that may help us swap the moral high ground for actual progress: finding common motives. Here, Sharot explains why identifying a shared goal is better than winning a fight. Tali Sharot's newest book is out now: The Influential Mind: What the Brain Reveals about Our Power to Change Others.

TRANSCRIPT:

Tali Sharot: So most of us think that information is the best way to convince people of our truth, and in fact it doesn’t work that well.We see that all the time. We see it with climate change, where there’s tons of data suggesting that climate change is man-made but about 50 percent of the population doesn’t believe it, or with people arguing about things like how many people were in the presidential inauguration. So we have facts but people decide which facts they want to listen to, which facts they want to take and change their opinions, and which they want to disregard. And one of the reasons for this is when something doesn’t conform to what I already believe, what people tend to do is either disregard it or rationalize it away; because information doesn’t take into account what makes us human, which is our emotions, our desires, our motives and our prior beliefs.
 So for example, in one study my colleagues and I tried it to see whether we could use science to change people’s opinions about climate change. The first thing we did was ask people, “Do you believe in man-made climate change? Do you support the Paris Agreement?” And based on their answers we divided them into the strong believers and the weak believers. And then we gave them information.
For some people we said that scientists have reevaluated the data and now conclude that things are actually much worse than they thought before, that the temperature would rise by about seven degrees to ten degrees. For some people we said the scientists have reevaluated the data and they now believe that actually this situation is not as bad as they thought, it’s much better, and the rise in temperature would be quite small.
And what we found is that people who did not believe in climate change, when they heard that the scientists are saying, “Actually it’s not that bad,” they changed their beliefs even more in that direction, so they became more extremist in that direction, but when they heard that the scientists think it’s much worse they didn’t nudge.
And the people who already believe that climate change is man-made, when they heard that scientists are saying things are much worse than they said before, they moved more in that direction, so they became more polarized, but when they heard scientists are saying it’s not that bad they didn’t nudge much. So we gave people information and as a result it caused polarization, it didn’t cause people to come together.
So the question is, what’s happening inside our brain that causes this? And in one study my colleagues and I scanned brain activity of two people who were interacting, and what we found was when those two people ...

[hamdani yusuf]

Psychologist Todd Rose debunks 8 myths so mainstream we all believe them.

Collective illusions — false assumptions about society that many people share — have existed for thousands of years in many different ways. Today, because of social media and modern technology, they have become even more common.

One example of a collective illusion is the commonly held belief that everyone wants fame, wealth, and power. That’s not true. Most of us want lives of purpose and meaning. But because of false assumptions, many of us spend our lives chasing things that won’t fulfill us.

Another example of a collective illusion is the pervasive idea that the U.S. is an irredeemably divided nation. Sure, Americans have plenty of disagreements. But fundamentally, they have more in common than they might think.

As former Harvard professor and bestselling author Todd Rose explains, the antidote to collective illusions is becoming a more authentic individual, as well as gaining a deeper understanding of how our innate drive to conform to social norms often works against that.

0:00 What is a “collective illusion”?
2:43 How myths invade private opinion
4:54 Myth: Other people can’t be trusted
8:32 Myth: Success is wealth, status, and power
11:12 Myth: Social media reveals what society thinks
13:56: Myth: Group consensus is vetted and factual
17:53: Myth: Elite jobs matter to us
21:11 Myth: America is on the verge of civil war
24:18 Myth: People want university degrees
26:57 Myth: Cultural norms exist to protect you

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Collective Illusions is a 9-part series brought to you by Stand Together: a community of changemakers tackling our biggest challenges

[alancalverd]

Religion is part of evolution and has been deeply embedded in humans from day 1.

I think not.
All animals have to make certain assumptions in order to live, and hone their decisions as those assumptions are tested by experience.
Mammals go further, and teach their young some essential skills and truths. This turns out to have a survival advantage that balances the low reproductive rate compared with, say, flies or turtles.
Being physically weak but intellectually strong, humans spend a lot of time learning the most basic physical skills like walking and some very sophisticated social skills that allow us to collaborate in anything from a hunting party to a million folk contributing to put a man on the moon.
But we have a number of internal parasites who teach all sorts of dangerous nonsense that appeals to our need for community. Priests and politicians make their living by inculcating irrational fear and contempt of other people. Babies do not start wars or torture others because of what their grandparents did on Sunday - loathing of folk you haven't met is not instinctive but has to be taught.
And quite why anyone believes in an afterlife, heaven, hell, redemption and all the other stuff that is asserted without proof, is utterly beyond reason and can only be the product of the perverted minds of folk who are incapable of making an honest living.
It is true that some religious communities do some physical good, but good deeds do not need an excuse: buggering choirboys or killing infidels, on the other hand, requires divine authority.

[Peter11]

Religion shaped the world culturally writing art work it is like it or not. You see it with extreme bias which blinds you.Amimals have no religion are you kidding me comparing is ridiculous.
People are  pedophile you don't become one it starts early they are in all churches schools daycares police departments and so on they go there to be near their victims you confused once again that religion causes it.

[alancalverd]

Whether religion promotes sexual perversion (as in Islamic states) or protects it (in Christian states), filth is filth. The Morality Police in today's Iran, and the Spanish Inquisition in former Europe, were established by religious authorities. Crusades, suicide bombing, pogrom, you name it, the faith precedes and demands the action.

Writing? The earliest known written document is a Mesopotamian builder's invoice. The earliest artworks are instruction manuals for hunters (the animals are always depicted in exquisite detail and proportion, surrounded by crude stick men). No hint of religion. Galleries are full of European depictions of torture with occasional erotic glimpses of female nudes and prepubescent cherubs - the influence of religion on art. Islam forbids the depiction of humans and animals altogether - is this healthy? 

[Bored chemist]

Religion shaped the world culturally writing art work it is like it or not.

Does not parse.

Amimals have no religion

That's a matter of definition.

you confused once again that religion causes it.

No.
I say that religion protects it and thereby encourages it.

[paul cotter]

Religion is concerned with beliefs, science is concerned with facts. Two entirely different fields of thought. QED as Euclid would have said.