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Are allergies Psychological? Could they be cured through Hypnosis?
« on: 05/10/2022 19:31:26 »
There has been research on Pavlovian conditioned immune responses. Rats were made to be allergic to egg albumin (egg protein) through psychological conditioning. To do this, rats were fed egg albumin, while the feeding was paired with a novel stimulus (taste, visual, or audio cue).

After the association was made, when rats were exposed to only the cue (in the absence of egg albumin) their immune systems began producing antibodies specific to the egg albumin. When the rats were fed egg albumin again, they had an allergic reaction. The researchers noted that lesions to the insular cortex (part of the brain) prevented the conditioned immune response, while lesions to the hippocampus did not. They concluded that the insular cortex not only regulates emotions but also immune responses.

What this means is allergies, the immune system, and the brain are very closely linked together. The immune system and brain both communicate with each other, bidirectionally.

newbielink:https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/physrev.00033.2018 [nonactive]

newbielink:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34752731/ [nonactive]

newbielink:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2866484/ [nonactive]

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Re: Are allergies Psychological? Could they be cured through Hypnosis?
« Reply #1 on: 05/10/2022 19:37:37 »
"Are allergies Psychological?"
No.
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Re: Are allergies Psychological? Could they be cured through Hypnosis?
« Reply #2 on: 05/10/2022 20:33:23 »
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 05/10/2022 19:31:26
There has been research on Pavlovian conditioned immune responses. Rats were made to be allergic to egg albumin (egg protein) through psychological conditioning. To do this, rats were fed egg albumin, while the feeding was paired with a novel stimulus (taste, visual, or audio cue).

After the association was made, when rats were exposed to only the cue (in the absence of egg albumin) their immune systems began producing antibodies specific to the egg albumin. When the rats were fed egg albumin again, they had an allergic reaction. The researchers noted that lesions to the insular cortex (part of the brain) prevented the conditioned immune response, while lesions to the hippocampus did not. They concluded that the insular cortex not only regulates emotions but also immune responses.

What this means is allergies, the immune system, and the brain are very closely linked together. The immune system and brain both communicate with each other, bidirectionally.

https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/physrev.00033.2018

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34752731/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2866484/

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.325.6961&rep=rep1&type=pdf

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0889159198905475

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2004-18383-029

https://journals.physiology.org/doi/pdf/10.1152/physrev.00033.2018
This has less credibility than homeopathy, at least a diluted form of homeopathy is known to lessen people's allergies by gradually allowing there bodies to adjust. It is the body and not the mind.
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Re: Are allergies Psychological? Could they be cured through Hypnosis?
« Reply #3 on: 05/10/2022 21:00:47 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 05/10/2022 20:33:23
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 05/10/2022 19:31:26
There has been research on Pavlovian conditioned immune responses. Rats were made to be allergic to egg albumin (egg protein) through psychological conditioning. To do this, rats were fed egg albumin, while the feeding was paired with a novel stimulus (taste, visual, or audio cue).

After the association was made, when rats were exposed to only the cue (in the absence of egg albumin) their immune systems began producing antibodies specific to the egg albumin. When the rats were fed egg albumin again, they had an allergic reaction. The researchers noted that lesions to the insular cortex (part of the brain) prevented the conditioned immune response, while lesions to the hippocampus did not. They concluded that the insular cortex not only regulates emotions but also immune responses.

What this means is allergies, the immune system, and the brain are very closely linked together. The immune system and brain both communicate with each other, bidirectionally.

newbielink:https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/physrev.00033.2018 [nonactive]

newbielink:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34752731/ [nonactive]

newbielink:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2866484/ [nonactive]

newbielink:https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.325.6961&rep=rep1&type=pdf [nonactive]

newbielink:https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0889159198905475 [nonactive]

newbielink:https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2004-18383-029 [nonactive]

newbielink:https://journals.physiology.org/doi/pdf/10.1152/physrev.00033.2018 [nonactive]
This has less credibility than homeopathy, at least a diluted form of homeopathy is known to lessen people's allergies by gradually allowing there bodies to adjust. It is the body and not the mind.

Did you read the links? The brain and the immune system talk to each other and are closely connected. Pavlovian conditioned immune responses are a thing.
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Re: Are allergies Psychological? Could they be cured through Hypnosis?
« Reply #4 on: 05/10/2022 22:17:40 »
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 05/10/2022 21:00:47
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 05/10/2022 20:33:23
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 05/10/2022 19:31:26
There has been research on Pavlovian conditioned immune responses. Rats were made to be allergic to egg albumin (egg protein) through psychological conditioning. To do this, rats were fed egg albumin, while the feeding was paired with a novel stimulus (taste, visual, or audio cue).

After the association was made, when rats were exposed to only the cue (in the absence of egg albumin) their immune systems began producing antibodies specific to the egg albumin. When the rats were fed egg albumin again, they had an allergic reaction. The researchers noted that lesions to the insular cortex (part of the brain) prevented the conditioned immune response, while lesions to the hippocampus did not. They concluded that the insular cortex not only regulates emotions but also immune responses.

What this means is allergies, the immune system, and the brain are very closely linked together. The immune system and brain both communicate with each other, bidirectionally.

https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/physrev.00033.2018

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34752731/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2866484/

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.325.6961&rep=rep1&type=pdf

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0889159198905475

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2004-18383-029

https://journals.physiology.org/doi/pdf/10.1152/physrev.00033.2018
This has less credibility than homeopathy, at least a diluted form of homeopathy is known to lessen people's allergies by gradually allowing there bodies to adjust. It is the body and not the mind.

Did you read the links? The brain and the immune system talk to each other and are closely connected. Pavlovian conditioned immune responses are a thing.
I didn't read the links, I read your post. I think the gyst of it was Pavlovian, this is entirely expected, I'm sure even in the non allergic, shellfish buffets produce some sort of physical reaction. Pavlovian effect though is an effect not a cause, if there where no physical reaction to albumin initially there would be no Pavlovian reaction to the stimulus, the experiment has just expanded on the allergy. If someone smells a rotten carcass, even thoug not particularly lethal at a distance, the body and mind has a reaction to it, if you cause a stimuli to be associated with it, such as a ringing bell it is highly likely it will produce the same reaction.
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Re: Are allergies Psychological? Could they be cured through Hypnosis?
« Reply #5 on: 05/10/2022 22:36:06 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 05/10/2022 22:17:40
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 05/10/2022 21:00:47
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 05/10/2022 20:33:23
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 05/10/2022 19:31:26
There has been research on Pavlovian conditioned immune responses. Rats were made to be allergic to egg albumin (egg protein) through psychological conditioning. To do this, rats were fed egg albumin, while the feeding was paired with a novel stimulus (taste, visual, or audio cue).

After the association was made, when rats were exposed to only the cue (in the absence of egg albumin) their immune systems began producing antibodies specific to the egg albumin. When the rats were fed egg albumin again, they had an allergic reaction. The researchers noted that lesions to the insular cortex (part of the brain) prevented the conditioned immune response, while lesions to the hippocampus did not. They concluded that the insular cortex not only regulates emotions but also immune responses.

What this means is allergies, the immune system, and the brain are very closely linked together. The immune system and brain both communicate with each other, bidirectionally.

newbielink:https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/physrev.00033.2018 [nonactive]

newbielink:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34752731/ [nonactive]

newbielink:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2866484/ [nonactive]

newbielink:https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.325.6961&rep=rep1&type=pdf [nonactive]

newbielink:https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0889159198905475 [nonactive]

newbielink:https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2004-18383-029 [nonactive]

newbielink:https://journals.physiology.org/doi/pdf/10.1152/physrev.00033.2018 [nonactive]
This has less credibility than homeopathy, at least a diluted form of homeopathy is known to lessen people's allergies by gradually allowing there bodies to adjust. It is the body and not the mind.

Did you read the links? The brain and the immune system talk to each other and are closely connected. Pavlovian conditioned immune responses are a thing.
I didn't read the links, I read your post. I think the gyst of it was Pavlovian, this is entirely expected, I'm sure even in the non allergic, shellfish buffets produce some sort of physical reaction. Pavlovian effect though is an effect not a cause, if there where no physical reaction to albumin initially there would be no Pavlovian reaction to the stimulus, the experiment has just expanded on the allergy. If someone smells a rotten carcass, even thoug not particularly lethal at a distance, the body and mind has a reaction to it, if you cause a stimuli to be associated with it, such as a ringing bell it is highly likely it will produce the same reaction.

What this means is that allergies (antibodies, IgE) are created by the brain and could be cured through psychotherapy.
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Re: Are allergies Psychological? Could they be cured through Hypnosis?
« Reply #6 on: 05/10/2022 23:00:03 »
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 05/10/2022 22:36:06
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 05/10/2022 22:17:40
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 05/10/2022 21:00:47
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 05/10/2022 20:33:23
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 05/10/2022 19:31:26
There has been research on Pavlovian conditioned immune responses. Rats were made to be allergic to egg albumin (egg protein) through psychological conditioning. To do this, rats were fed egg albumin, while the feeding was paired with a novel stimulus (taste, visual, or audio cue).

After the association was made, when rats were exposed to only the cue (in the absence of egg albumin) their immune systems began producing antibodies specific to the egg albumin. When the rats were fed egg albumin again, they had an allergic reaction. The researchers noted that lesions to the insular cortex (part of the brain) prevented the conditioned immune response, while lesions to the hippocampus did not. They concluded that the insular cortex not only regulates emotions but also immune responses.

What this means is allergies, the immune system, and the brain are very closely linked together. The immune system and brain both communicate with each other, bidirectionally.

https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/physrev.00033.2018

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34752731/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2866484/

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.325.6961&rep=rep1&type=pdf

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0889159198905475

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2004-18383-029

https://journals.physiology.org/doi/pdf/10.1152/physrev.00033.2018
This has less credibility than homeopathy, at least a diluted form of homeopathy is known to lessen people's allergies by gradually allowing there bodies to adjust. It is the body and not the mind.

Did you read the links? The brain and the immune system talk to each other and are closely connected. Pavlovian conditioned immune responses are a thing.
I didn't read the links, I read your post. I think the gyst of it was Pavlovian, this is entirely expected, I'm sure even in the non allergic, shellfish buffets produce some sort of physical reaction. Pavlovian effect though is an effect not a cause, if there where no physical reaction to albumin initially there would be no Pavlovian reaction to the stimulus, the experiment has just expanded on the allergy. If someone smells a rotten carcass, even thoug not particularly lethal at a distance, the body and mind has a reaction to it, if you cause a stimuli to be associated with it, such as a ringing bell it is highly likely it will produce the same reaction.

What this means is that allergies (antibodies, IgE) are created by the brain and could be cured through psychotherapy.
The body is controlled by the brain entirely. Why do we in England have an inherent fear of snakes ?
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Re: Are allergies Psychological? Could they be cured through Hypnosis?
« Reply #7 on: 05/10/2022 23:10:39 »
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Why do we in England have an inherent fear of snakes ?
Because half of the native species are venomous. 
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Re: Are allergies Psychological? Could they be cured through Hypnosis?
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Why do we in England have an inherent fear of snakes ?
Because half of the native species are venomous. 
OK,
grass snake,
adder and
smooth snake
which of them is 50% venomous?
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« Reply #9 on: 05/10/2022 23:20:44 »
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The body is controlled by the brain entirely.
What would your second guess be?
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Re: Are allergies Psychological? Could they be cured through Hypnosis?
« Reply #10 on: 06/10/2022 09:22:22 »
The brain undoubtedly affects the immune system but does not control it. Most allergic reaction are caused by basophil degranulation on exposure to an immune cascade initiated by the mistaken threat. A purely physical process.
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Re: Are allergies Psychological? Could they be cured through Hypnosis?
« Reply #11 on: 06/10/2022 20:53:26 »
How do I discover if I have an allergie because from what I know I don't have one.
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How do I discover if I have an allergie because from what I know I don't have one.

You can have an allergy test done: https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/allergy-tests/about/pac-20392895
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