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Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?

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Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« on: 14/04/2022 13:02:31 »
I struggle with this.
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #1 on: 14/04/2022 14:39:04 »
No. If I have elected a good representative, I'm happy for her to stay in post as long as she is prepared to do so. But since most MPs now think their job is to represent the party, not the electorate, the world would be a better place if they burned in hell.
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #2 on: 14/04/2022 15:04:34 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 14/04/2022 14:39:04
the world would be a better place if they burned in hell.
They possibly do; but only after they have done the damage in this world so that's not good enough.
It would be better if there was a simple mechanism for getting them sacked when they fail to deliver.
For example, we could have got rid of Boris ages ago.
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #3 on: 14/04/2022 15:10:41 »
There should be a limit to which party gets to rule, the USA seems to be a never ending succession of politicians who are elected on the promise of reversing the previous administrations actions, it is a wonder anything ever gets done.
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #4 on: 14/04/2022 18:00:14 »
Problem with the USA and other dictatorships is the existence of a president with overriding discretion on all sorts of matters and no democratic accountability. Doesn't matter whether he is elected or kills his way to the top, the entire country (and any he chooses to invade) is subject to his ignorance, incompetence and perverse whims.

Sadly the UK has moved towards a de facto unelected presidency since the loathsome Thatcher appointed arselickers to the Cabinet, but at least the Head of State is removed from the taint of politics and personal greed, and has the wit to seek good advice.
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #5 on: 14/04/2022 18:55:05 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 14/04/2022 18:00:14
but at least the Head of State is removed from the taint of politics and personal greed, and has the wit to seek good advice.
Unfortunately, the govt ignores her.
You may recall the current heap of **** lying to her about illegally proroguing parliament to prevent discussion of their antidemocratic policies.
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #6 on: 14/04/2022 23:01:11 »
There is no record of BJ telling the truth about anything, AFAIK. Problem is  that the Press won't hold him to account for lying to Parliament. Even Channel 4 News has been banging on about his being fined for breaking the law (stand up anyone who hasn't had a speeding ticket) but ignoring the fact that he repeatedly lied to Parliament about it.

My grandmother used to say "you can trust a thief but not a liar".
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #7 on: 15/04/2022 06:27:59 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 14/04/2022 18:00:14
Problem with the USA and other dictatorships
My country is not a dictatorship.
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #8 on: 16/04/2022 16:01:32 »
Lucky you. But anyone who lived in Trumpia knows what happens when you give absolute power to a corrupt and incompetent president.
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #9 on: 16/04/2022 16:44:17 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 16/04/2022 16:01:32
Lucky you. But anyone who lived in Trumpia knows what happens when you give absolute power to a corrupt and incompetent president.
I know you are trying to make a point, but stating clear falsehoods like, the president of the USA has absolute power, will tend to make people dismiss your opinion.
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #10 on: 19/04/2022 18:13:36 »
Quote from: Origin on 16/04/2022 16:44:17
but stating clear falsehoods like, the president of the USA has absolute power,
Nobody stated that.
Trumpians can extrapolate.
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #11 on: 20/04/2022 13:15:38 »
Being that the UK still has a monarchy, a brit can hardly pass judgment on the failings of our democracy.
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #12 on: 20/04/2022 13:54:29 »
Quote from: Pseudoscience-is-malarkey on 20/04/2022 13:15:38
Being that the UK still has a monarchy, a brit can hardly pass judgment on the failings of our democracy.
What do  you think the Queen actually does?
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #13 on: 20/04/2022 14:17:26 »
What the monarch does is to act as head of state without the taint of politics and all the loathsome paraphenalia of modern electioneering. (S)he has no need to appeal to xenophobia, greed, or any of the other vices of the electorate.
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #14 on: 20/04/2022 15:33:43 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 20/04/2022 14:17:26
What the monarch does is to act as head of state
So, she appears on stamps and banknotes.
PiM seems to think she writes the laws.
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #15 on: 20/04/2022 16:22:17 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 20/04/2022 15:33:43
So, she appears on stamps and banknotes.
Thus denoting the state in which said currency is legal tender, and implying all the laws rules and customs appurtenant to that state, including the authority of the military to defend that state with lethal force. What more do you need in a head of state? 
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #16 on: 20/04/2022 20:03:34 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 20/04/2022 16:22:17
Quote from: Bored chemist on 20/04/2022 15:33:43
So, she appears on stamps and banknotes.
Thus denoting the state in which said currency is legal tender, and implying all the laws rules and customs appurtenant to that state, including the authority of the military to defend that state with lethal force. What more do you need in a head of state? 

The point remains , PiM seems to think she makes laws.
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #17 on: 20/04/2022 20:10:55 »
Quote from: Pseudoscience-is-malarkey on 20/04/2022 13:15:38
Being that the UK still has a monarchy, a brit can hardly pass judgment on the failings of our democracy.
Unfortunately your merry go round is almost entirely founded in British values experience and history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Coke

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #18 on: 21/04/2022 10:02:16 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 20/04/2022 20:03:34
The point remains , PiM seems to think she makes laws.
Unlike Conservative members of Parliament, she has to obey the laws that Parliament makes*. Which is why she is a better representative of the British people than any elected president could be.

*With one exception.  All public roads are legally "The Queen's Highway" so she doesn't need a vehicle registration plate on her own cars!  And unlike the criminals and incompetents elected to high office in the USA, she doesn't need a military motorcade to travel between home and work.
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Re: Should there be term limits for all elected officials in government?
« Reply #19 on: 26/05/2022 15:52:25 »
You Brits elected a man named BJ...
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