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Quote from: jccc on 28/04/2015 20:11:00gravity is net electrostatic forces between all charges within matter. or between matters. in contact, it acts as chemical bounding, in distance, it acts as gravity. i explained earlier in this thread.Poppycock, as you well know. Electrostatic forces can be shielded by placing a conductor between the charges. Gravity cannot.If you have a brain, why not try using it? I promise it won't wear out before you learn a bit of humility before the facts.
gravity is net electrostatic forces between all charges within matter. or between matters. in contact, it acts as chemical bounding, in distance, it acts as gravity. i explained earlier in this thread.
Try thinking about what I wrote, rather than shouting garbled nonsense.
my ideas are simple.1. there are 3 building blocks in nature, proton carries 900 + charges, electron carries -1 charge, enertron carries -10^-16 charge.proton attracts all negative charged stuff, therefore a ball of electron and enertron will form around proton. because enertron is denser than electron ( charge to volume ratio), it condensed around proton by electromagnetic force, density from the proton outward decay at 1/r^3. electron also attracted by proton and stable at atom radius where the proton electron attraction force is equal to the electron enertron repelling force. proton is like core of earth, enertron is the land and atmosphere, electron is like giant beach ball. atom's force field is far beyond radius, earth's gravitational field is also far beyond atmosphere.atom in fact is so dense build, that's why atoms are not compressible, that's why electron cannot discharge into proton.2. a charge's force field extend to infinite distance, it decays at 1/r^2 but never become 0. an atom, even it is electrically neutral, charges within atom still carry same force fields. therefore matter and chemical bounding able to form.gravity is nothing but net em forces of all charges within or between matters/stars. gravity is a force, all masses attract each other because charges within have boundless force fields. gravity is not wave or particle. when a mass is vibrating, it produces gravitational wave which is a force pause able to act on other masses. 3. energy is force. forces are within charges. forces can only act on charges. what's all. correct or not? opinion various. time will tell, i might refine my thoughts later. but so far, seems all sounding enough for myself. we are seekers, without truth, we won't stop. don't let anything stop us. truth will set us free. soon!Enjoy life, try to love all things, Dear friends!
Quote from: alancalverd on 28/04/2015 23:11:23Quote from: jccc on 28/04/2015 20:11:00gravity is net electrostatic forces between all charges within matter. or between matters. in contact, it acts as chemical bounding, in distance, it acts as gravity. i explained earlier in this thread.Poppycock, as you well know. Electrostatic forces can be shielded by placing a conductor between the charges. Gravity cannot.If you have a brain, why not try using it? I promise it won't wear out before you learn a bit of humility before the facts.Alan,electrons are free to move in a conductor, electrostatic forces will induce charges in the conductor first and neutralized/used up before reach the detector, therefore shielded.
this is new theory forum, please be nice.
if you don't agree my new theory, debunk with logic and respect.
An atoms force field does not end at atom radius, but extend to infinity.
In whole, an atom or planet maybe electrically neutral, but Every charge within has its own force field beyond distance, those forces overlapped to produce chemical bonding, magnetism and gravity.
Pete, thank you.i like to hear others opinions.
Quote from: jcccthis is new theory forum, please be nice.I am nice ... to those who pay attention and heed what has been said to them. To those who constantly and thus rudely ignore everything that has been said to them I see no reason to be "nice."Quote from: jcccif you don't agree my new theory, debunk with logic and respect.Fine. You merely made a claim with no justification and no reasoning. That's not science and its not a theory. It's mere speculation which contradicts reality. Your claim isQuote from: jcccAn atoms force field does not end at atom radius, but extend to infinity.Quite unclear. The only "force field" that a sole atom has is a gravitational one. An atom can interact with another atom by covalent bonds which is a sharing of covalent electrons. Two molecules can interact by covalent bonds and van der waal forces. But those are merely forces between atoms and molecules. They most certainly do not extend to infinity. The atom does not have a force, other than a gravitational one, which extends to infinity. That's an experimental observation so your claim to the contrary is bogus.Quote from: jccc In whole, an atom or planet maybe electrically neutral, but Every charge within has its own force field beyond distance, those forces overlapped to produce chemical bonding, magnetism and gravity.What you're talking about only accounts for van der waal forces. It does not account for magnetism nor gravity. That too is an experimental fact. If it was the electric force that accounted for gravity then bodies would fall at different rates depending on their mass. That too is contrary to observation.There. Debunked.
I don't think we're making any progress here, and we should stop feeding this thread. I'm out.
1. atom's force field is beyond distance. gravitational force is em force.
.. if there is only 1 hydrogen atom and 1 proton (or 1 electron) in the universe, no matter how far away, they will attract each other. that is fact due to C's law.
2. gravity is net electrostatic forces between all charges within two bodies.
in the case of falling objects, every charge within the test object experience the same attraction force from the earth, therefore no matter size/density of the object, their acceleration is equal.
I had a thought about electromagnetism/ electrostatics concerning gravity some years back. It stemmed from working as an apprentice electrician studying for my journeymans license. In our home we all notice that we need three wires to ensure a safe connection. A hot, A neutral and a ground. There are only two wires that come off of the pole. Each one consisting of ~120 volts 60hz. If you combine the two you have ~240 volts 60hz. When you get to the panel though, you will notice that the neutral and the ground are actually the same thing, they hook up to the same terminals. Why is this I thought? The ground on a panel is nothing more than an 8 ft solid copper rod drove into the ground. (hence the negative polarity). I've did a few of those, not an easy job. If you want 120volts you merely attach onto one of the hot lines, and connect the other side to the ground. So, what is the point in the "neutral"? Then I was studying the late Tesla and remembered a project he done where he merely pushed the light bulbs into the ground(Earth) and the bulbs lit up. In his experiment he had found a way to transmit positive energy wirelessly. In order to use it, it must be grounded first to complete the path. I've did a lot of other research on this as well. One being the schuman resonance frewuency of the earth. Also numerous papers on the Earth being extremely negatively charged. I wondered then, what would happen if we were negatively charged as well? EM and ES says that we would fly off the planet because opposite charges attract, like charges repel. I've since abandoned this for many reasons. But what is your take on this. Since one of you mentioned that gravity is an EM wave or of EM origin?
to date more than 25 isotopes have been found to exhibit proton emission. The study of proton emission has aided the understanding of nuclear deformation, masses and structure, and it is a wonderfully pure example of quantum tunneling.
Is it just remotely possible that jccc is speaking from the wrong end of his alimentary canal?
proton attracted - 899 enertrons to form proton ball, the enertrons ..
8. The pseudoscientist tends to write in a complex jargon often making use of phrases, terms and locutions he or she has coined....
we can never see a proton itself, proton is deep in the center of a enerton ball. proton carries + 900 charges, it has a positive force field fp=900/r^2.proton attracted - 899 enertrons to form proton ball, the enertrons in the proton ball has a negative force field f1=899/r^3, due to the density of the enertron is decay at 1/r^3 away from proton, due to the attraction force between proton and enertron is decay at 1/r^2. electron has a negative force field fe=1/r^2. electron is rest at where the proton attraction force is equal to the enertron repulsion force. that is atomic radius.