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Anyways...I can surely attest to experiencing no symptoms as soon as I feel like my sperm supply has fully regenerated...
Pyropeach, wow, just as soon as I thought I was getting a small handle on my own POIS mechanisms, you come along and introduce.....Science!Sigh....back to the drawing board! []Sincerely, many thanks for the enlightenment.
Pyropeach, somewhere along the way, I "lost" my sperm count.But the subjective feeling of "regeneration" is still the same.Would you explain that as illusory on my part? (And I take absolutely no offense at all if that is what you believe).
Similarly, one can see my solution in terms of the allergy theory- in that semen elimination took away the allergen...?
Quote from: daveman on 28/05/2011 16:11:21Quote from: demografx on 27/05/2011 13:09:52Quote from: Animus on 27/05/2011 03:11:55Quote from: demografx on 24/05/2011 15:36:33Animus, do you see any connection between your surgery = 100% POIS-free and my TRT = 80% POIS-free?(Keep in mind my 'mysterious' Zero-sperm-count - a mystery as to when it occurred).Demo, I've thought about this a little more...One possible explanation is that we cannot efficiently or healthily produce the semen which we've lost due to ejaculation. Once the semen is ejaculated, it may cause the body to go into semen replacement mode (I do not know if this is true). However, if it were true, and semen replacement is the issue, maybe something which helps semen replacement also helps alleviate POIS. Perhaps the Testosterone therapy for you, helps with your semen replacement. And for me, the surgery removed my ability to produce and ejaculate semen, so my body no longer replaces it.Not producing sperm anymore could be lessening your POIS too because you're not replacing that either. Amazing! Your considerations above go a long way to confirm my longstanding hunch that my POIS is somehow related to my semen regeneration speed: in my depth-of-POIS-agony days - for 30+ years - my regen speed was like molasses. With testosterone treatment, my regen speed is RAPID, and my POIS has been whittled down drastically!Just my hunch.Well, you don't regenerate at all...Sorry to disagree, Dave, but I most certainly DO regenerate...............semen!And the process certainly feels absolutely identical to my "sperm generation days".The key is that when I feel "FULL" (analogous to a car's tank of gas), I am POIS-FREE. And this holds true equally with my sperm-semen as well as my zero-sperm-semen eras.I can say this unequivocally because I have been observing it for 35 years.All observed during high fertility years (I have 2 strapping grown men for sons), and all during testosterone treatment, and all during whatever period I lost sperm, evidenced by my recent Semen Analysis Laboratory Report.I believe that the biological process of semen-only regeneration is identical to semen-with-sperm regeneration.
Quote from: demografx on 27/05/2011 13:09:52Quote from: Animus on 27/05/2011 03:11:55Quote from: demografx on 24/05/2011 15:36:33Animus, do you see any connection between your surgery = 100% POIS-free and my TRT = 80% POIS-free?(Keep in mind my 'mysterious' Zero-sperm-count - a mystery as to when it occurred).Demo, I've thought about this a little more...One possible explanation is that we cannot efficiently or healthily produce the semen which we've lost due to ejaculation. Once the semen is ejaculated, it may cause the body to go into semen replacement mode (I do not know if this is true). However, if it were true, and semen replacement is the issue, maybe something which helps semen replacement also helps alleviate POIS. Perhaps the Testosterone therapy for you, helps with your semen replacement. And for me, the surgery removed my ability to produce and ejaculate semen, so my body no longer replaces it.Not producing sperm anymore could be lessening your POIS too because you're not replacing that either. Amazing! Your considerations above go a long way to confirm my longstanding hunch that my POIS is somehow related to my semen regeneration speed: in my depth-of-POIS-agony days - for 30+ years - my regen speed was like molasses. With testosterone treatment, my regen speed is RAPID, and my POIS has been whittled down drastically!Just my hunch.Well, you don't regenerate at all...
Quote from: Animus on 27/05/2011 03:11:55Quote from: demografx on 24/05/2011 15:36:33Animus, do you see any connection between your surgery = 100% POIS-free and my TRT = 80% POIS-free?(Keep in mind my 'mysterious' Zero-sperm-count - a mystery as to when it occurred).Demo, I've thought about this a little more...One possible explanation is that we cannot efficiently or healthily produce the semen which we've lost due to ejaculation. Once the semen is ejaculated, it may cause the body to go into semen replacement mode (I do not know if this is true). However, if it were true, and semen replacement is the issue, maybe something which helps semen replacement also helps alleviate POIS. Perhaps the Testosterone therapy for you, helps with your semen replacement. And for me, the surgery removed my ability to produce and ejaculate semen, so my body no longer replaces it.Not producing sperm anymore could be lessening your POIS too because you're not replacing that either. Amazing! Your considerations above go a long way to confirm my longstanding hunch that my POIS is somehow related to my semen regeneration speed: in my depth-of-POIS-agony days - for 30+ years - my regen speed was like molasses. With testosterone treatment, my regen speed is RAPID, and my POIS has been whittled down drastically!Just my hunch.
Quote from: demografx on 24/05/2011 15:36:33Animus, do you see any connection between your surgery = 100% POIS-free and my TRT = 80% POIS-free?(Keep in mind my 'mysterious' Zero-sperm-count - a mystery as to when it occurred).Demo, I've thought about this a little more...One possible explanation is that we cannot efficiently or healthily produce the semen which we've lost due to ejaculation. Once the semen is ejaculated, it may cause the body to go into semen replacement mode (I do not know if this is true). However, if it were true, and semen replacement is the issue, maybe something which helps semen replacement also helps alleviate POIS. Perhaps the Testosterone therapy for you, helps with your semen replacement. And for me, the surgery removed my ability to produce and ejaculate semen, so my body no longer replaces it.Not producing sperm anymore could be lessening your POIS too because you're not replacing that either.
Animus, do you see any connection between your surgery = 100% POIS-free and my TRT = 80% POIS-free?(Keep in mind my 'mysterious' Zero-sperm-count - a mystery as to when it occurred).
Quote from: daveman on 28/05/2011 16:11:21I'm saying there's a debate here. And perhaps we don't have enough information to say one way or the other. I understand what your saying Animus. And it could be. But it could also be auto-immune with the same situation.daveman, Thank you for making that point. I think it's important. I wonder how one would explain demo's improvement along the allergy theory. How would you explain that?Also I would like to understand how testosterone could improve an allergic reaction. Similarly, one can see my solution in terms of the allergy theory- in that semen elimination took away the allergen...?
I'm saying there's a debate here. And perhaps we don't have enough information to say one way or the other. I understand what your saying Animus. And it could be. But it could also be auto-immune with the same situation.
Quote from: pyropeach on 28/05/2011 19:50:32Anyways...I can surely attest to experiencing no symptoms as soon as I feel like my sperm supply has fully regenerated...I can attest to that feeling too.
But my semen still definitely flows through my Urethra when I'm doing that as evidenced by the pre-fluid.
anytime I am stimulated, after that their is recovery time. Like what was said above. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I think I am allergic to the stimulation itself, I don't know about sperm.
What do we need to discover to resolve the questions? You, I and the group in general have our layman's views, Waldinger, Bewtra, Goldmeier et all also have theirs. Man I'm tired of it.What do we need to do to know for sure???That's not a rhetorical question. Can we make up a list of things that need to be known?Anybody?
Lastly, pyropeach, to your point, ya, you're right it wouldn't be the regeneration of seminal fluid as we see it, but it would likely by the regeneration of fluid in one of these glands. What if it were only 1 gland that we're allergic to and we could take a special pill to cease production in that 1 gland and all the pain and anguish we've been dealing with for years would just float away, Ahhhhh!!! [] [] []
This is not quite right. I think we should distinguish between three different potential allergens: 1) sperm, 2) ejaculate-semen, 3) pre-ejaculate fluid.So, when you masturbate, while stopping before ejaculation, pre-ejaculate (3) flows through your urethra, but semen (2) does not flow through your urethra.We know that some people develop a POIS episode just from 3, without the occurrence of 1 or 2. And, for instance, in Demo's case, he still has POIS symptoms after getting rid of 1, while 2 and 3 remain for him. Thus, even if we also want to think about 'regeneration' theories, we should still be sure to take into account and distinguish the various elements that can potentially be contributing to an auto-immune reaction.
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This is definitely consistent with the auto-immune theory. Animus, didn't you mention that you can still ejaculate, only much less than before and only experience very mild POIS symptoms?
Its just that I'm tired of arguing whether it's auto-immune related or regeneration related.There are opposing views EVEN among the highest of experts!Someone has to stop this sh..t!...Man I'm tired of it.What do we need to do to know for sure???That's not a rhetorical question. Can we make up a list of things that need to be known?Anybody?
Quote from: Animus on 28/05/2011 21:18:14Quote from: pyropeach on 28/05/2011 19:50:32Anyways...I can surely attest to experiencing no symptoms as soon as I feel like my sperm supply has fully regenerated...I can attest to that feeling too.Well it sure seems like it. But you can't take your sperm count in your head! LOL
Besides, we can't be straddling between two theories, lets just pick one and go with it for as long as it takes us.