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Quote from: mad aetherist on 05/11/2018 21:32:12Less obvious are lasers masers etalons etc which experience lots of problems, eg walkoff noise stability etc etc (i aint an expert). You do realise they didn't just buy a cat-toy laser at the local supermarket, don't you?They found people who are experts in laser stability.Quote from: mad aetherist on 05/11/2018 21:32:12A fixed laser describes an ellipse over a day. I thort that everyone knew that.And so does my left ear.
Less obvious are lasers masers etalons etc which experience lots of problems, eg walkoff noise stability etc etc (i aint an expert).
A fixed laser describes an ellipse over a day. I thort that everyone knew that.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 04/11/2018 03:02:25So that leaves us with some sort of seismic event.On the other hand the guilty event only has to affect the disposition of the little detector, it doesnt have to affect the whole 4 km of pipeline. So it could be sonic. But photonic & em are probly not guilty.Neither a seismic event nor sound waves can be blamed.(1) Sound waves and seismic waves don't have the peculiar expansion/contraction characteristics of gravitational waves so they would not produce the same kind of signature. Seismic waves and sound waves cause an expansion and contraction parallel to the direction of movement, whereas gravitational waves cause an expansion and contraction perpendicular to the direction of movement.(2) The event GW170814 was detected by both of the LIGO detectors (one in Washington state and one in Louisiana) and the Virgo interferometer in Italy all in a span of 14 milliseconds. An earthquake or sound wave would not be able to trigger detectors separated by thousands of miles in such a time span: https://journals.aps.org/prl/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.119.141101(3) The event GW170817 was accompanied by the gamma ray burst GRB 170817 (which was detected 1.7 seconds later by multiple observatories). The gravitational wave signal lasted for about 100 seconds, becoming stronger as the two neutron stars neared each other and finally stopped after they collided. If sound waves or seismic waves were to blame, there would be no connection to cosmological events like this nor would the signal look like what was expected of two in-spiraling neutron stars coming closer and closer to each other as they orbited over a period of 100 seconds: https://www.ligo.org/detections/GW170817/paper/GW170817-PRLpublished.pdf(4) Virgo has environmental sensors capable of detecting seismic or sonic interference. The scientists who run it would therefore know if a gravitational wave detection were accompanied by such a compromising event or not: https://www-sop.inria.fr/apics/sbpi/derosa.pdfI apologize for derailing your thread, trevorjohnson42. This will be my last post here about gravitational waves.
So that leaves us with some sort of seismic event.On the other hand the guilty event only has to affect the disposition of the little detector, it doesnt have to affect the whole 4 km of pipeline. So it could be sonic. But photonic & em are probly not guilty.
No, LIGO easily clips out most of the noise, they are looking for a chirp tween say 30 Hz to 300 Hz, & this nett signal is about 1/1000th of the noise, so they must clip 99.9% of the total signal.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 06/11/2018 00:07:53No, LIGO easily clips out most of the noise, they are looking for a chirp tween say 30 Hz to 300 Hz, & this nett signal is about 1/1000th of the noise, so they must clip 99.9% of the total signal. Nohttps://dcc.ligo.org/public/0028/T970084/000/T970084-00.pdf
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The density of a proton or neutron would slow light down to a crawl as it crossed through the particle. Time, in relation to size of the things inside the particle and their movement, might make it equivalent to the speed of life and light in our universe.
I agree. Einsteinologists
Quote from: mad aetherist on 24/03/2019 21:59:07I agree. EinsteinologistsMad aetherist what is your opinion of the first three paragraphs of the OP. Do you think magnetism works like a fan with one side being the draw and the other the push?
Light is just waves of density in space. All waves are expanding density through a medium. Light's medium is space, so all light is is a wave of density in space with a certain frequency. Protons and neutrons are made of super dense space. There density squeezes the surrounding space of the universe they are in. The region of squeezing creates its gravity field. When two gravity fields touch the same squeezing of space on space occurs and it pulls two objects together based on their mass.In a magnet, all the electrons in the atoms circle in the same direction, this creates a fan like churning that sends outward waves of density along space in the pattern of the magnetic field.An electron is a slice of energy that fits an atom's electron shell. It's density as a wave adds to the overall weight of the atom. The electron may collect energy gradually until it is 'full' and needs no more energy. Positively charged protons may vibrate producing waves in the nucleus's gravity field which capture electron's while a neutron with the same weight repels electrons.
All scientists thought light is EM wave or photon particle or both traveling in space at light speed. They are all wrong. There is no wave, no photon, nothing traveling in space at light speed. Energy jumps from matter to matter instantly, becomes light wave traveling in medium at light speed. Light speed in vacuum space is infinite. Therefore, relativity, QM and electromagnetism are all wrong.
What is light?Light is energy, energy must coexist with matter. There is no light in the space between hot plasma on the Sun and atmosphere on Earth.All scientists thought light is EM wave or photon particle or both traveling in space at light speed. They are all wrong. There is no wave, no photon, nothing traveling in space at light speed. Energy jumps from matter to matter instantly, becomes light wave traveling in medium at light speed. Light speed in vacuum space is infinite. Therefore, relativity, QM and electromagnetism are all wrong.
You are confused , there is two types of light , visible light and invisible light . The invisible light between the sun and the earth is invisible .
Quote from: seeker3 on 25/03/2019 05:31:54All scientists thought light is EM wave or photon particle or both traveling in space at light speed. They are all wrong. There is no wave, no photon, nothing traveling in space at light speed. Energy jumps from matter to matter instantly, becomes light wave traveling in medium at light speed. Light speed in vacuum space is infinite. Therefore, relativity, QM and electromagnetism are all wrong.You seem to have forgotten where I pointed out the time delay that is present when communicating with spacecraft from Earth. So signals must not move at infinite speed through space. I am also waiting for you to present evidence that there is some kind of grand, global conspiracy that lied to the public about these time delays. Nations all over the world have sent spacecraft to other planets, satellites and asteroids, so it absolutely would have to be a conspiracy of global proportions.The Lunar Laser Ranging experiment has also demonstrated that it takes time for a beam of light to travel through space. There is a retroreflector on the Moon that can reflect laser beams back towards the Earth. Scientists have used the time it takes for the laser beam to reach the Moon and be reflected back to the Earth in order to more accurately calculate how far away the Moon is. One of their discoveries is that the Moon is moving away from the Earth at a rate of about 38 millimeters per year. If the speed of light in space was infinite, this experiment would not have worked.
I suggest you to watch all Apollo videos, look for shadows right under the objects. Which means the Sun is over head when they took the videos. Then check out the fabric analysis of the LM. Open your mind, don't lie to yourself.
OK, if you think so.
Did you watched Apollo videos?
No
Quote from: Bored chemist on 06/11/2018 22:15:39No you still haven't convinced me that the time taken for light to travel back and forth added together in the M and M experiment should be different for any path. Your comparison of light to a boat on a river only made sense comparing the boat in stagnant water vs a moving current. If all paths have equal resistance from the current you would be creating energy like a beginner out of nothing, as if one path was weaker. You could build a free energy device from a passing void current, actually that's probably possible anyways sort of a water wheel for empty space.