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Does the IVO thruster violate Newton's third law?

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Does the IVO thruster violate Newton's third law?
« on: 21/04/2022 17:10:56 »
the ivo thruster claims to produce reactionless thrust, thereby contradicting the CoM. some suggestion that this will also allow the CoE to be circumvented has also been made. what say you?
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Re: Does the IVO thruster violate Newton's third law?
« Reply #1 on: 21/04/2022 17:30:18 »
I'd say I've never heard of it. Can you provide a link?
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Re: Does the IVO thruster violate Newton's third law?
« Reply #2 on: 21/04/2022 17:43:12 »
A brief google search brings these up:
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/03/24/2409190/0/en/IVO-Ltd-Introduces-the-World-s-First-Pure-Electric-Thruster-for-Satellites.html
https://www.ahedc.com/newsroom/ivo-ltd/

It looks like a scam or a mistake to me!

Either a "part-time Baptist pastor/part time electronics hobbyist" has completely revolutionized physics, or he hasn't and is just claiming to have done so...

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Re: Does the IVO thruster violate Newton's third law?
« Reply #3 on: 21/04/2022 17:48:18 »
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The IVO Quantum Drive achieved 45mN of thrust consuming only a single watt and zero fuel.
So where did they get that "single watt" of power from?
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Re: Does the IVO thruster violate Newton's third law?
« Reply #4 on: 21/04/2022 18:21:51 »
Quote from: chiralSPO on 21/04/2022 17:43:12
A brief google search brings these up:
Mine got me here
https://www.forbes.com/sites/briankoberlein/2017/02/15/quantized-inertia-dark-matter-the-emdrive-and-how-to-do-science-wrong/?sh=19902960675f
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Re: Does the IVO thruster violate Newton's third law?
« Reply #5 on: 21/04/2022 19:03:54 »
Quote from: paul cotter on 21/04/2022 17:10:56
what say you?
I say that the conservation laws are unusual in science.
Not only have they stood the experimental tests, but they are mathematically proven to be true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem

So we know that anything which seems to break them is wrong.
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Re: Does the IVO thruster violate Newton's third law?
« Reply #6 on: 21/04/2022 21:01:24 »
bored chemist, i'm in full agreement with you.
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Re: Does the IVO thruster violate Newton's third law?
« Reply #7 on: 21/04/2022 21:27:27 »
So where did that watt come from?
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Re: Does the IVO thruster violate Newton's third law?
« Reply #8 on: 22/04/2022 01:49:29 »
Hi.

     I'm not going to spend too much time digging up info for this.   From what's written here already, it's not worth the time.

Quote from: alancalverd on 21/04/2022 21:27:27
So where did that watt come from?
    One article said it was a pure electric drive.   Presumably the author(s) knew that electricity is measured in Watts but fuel is sold by the gallon, so they made a distinction between the two.
   The assorted quotes and comments imply that electricity is just free stuff that is out there in space for the taking - perhaps by solar panels.  So the spacecraft don't need to carry any fuel.

Best Wishes. 
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Re: Does the IVO thruster violate Newton's third law?
« Reply #9 on: 23/04/2022 04:32:20 »
There are classes of propulsion that don't require fuel, for example, interacting with the Earth's magnetic field. But I don't know what this is supposed to be, many of these things are bullshit.
« Last Edit: 23/04/2022 04:37:19 by wolfekeeper »
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