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Non Life Sciences => Technology => Topic started by: scientizscht on 21/09/2018 11:14:30

Title: Are we able to make sustainable implants?
Post by: scientizscht on 21/09/2018 11:14:30
Hi!

Are we able to make implants that they harvest energy from the body or that they are in any other way sustainable to work without having to replace batteries etc?

Thanks
Title: Re: Are we able to make sustainable implants?
Post by: Yahya on 21/09/2018 14:36:54
I will never extract a milliwatt from my body using an implant
Title: Re: Are we able to make sustainable implants?
Post by: scientizscht on 21/09/2018 14:41:24
I will never extract a milliwatt from my body using an implant

Why?
Title: Re: Are we able to make sustainable implants?
Post by: Yahya on 21/09/2018 15:20:29
I will never extract a milliwatt from my body using an implant

Why?
For the same reason that I don't like injections
Title: Re: Are we able to make sustainable implants?
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/09/2018 15:54:23
I don't like injections
Do you think that many people do like them?
Title: Re: Are we able to make sustainable implants?
Post by: scientizscht on 21/09/2018 16:39:30
I will never extract a milliwatt from my body using an implant

Why?
For the same reason that I don't like injections

Are you vaccine denier?
Title: Re: Are we able to make sustainable implants?
Post by: alancalverd on 22/09/2018 00:09:39
The problem with any implant is the fact that humans live a long time, change shape, adapt to exercise and diet, and repair themselves. Even passive implants have problems: bones weaken if they are not stressed, so several hip replacements have worked loose because they unloaded the femur, which gradually softened.

Longevity raises an interesting ethical problem Early cochlear implants used four electrodes and a fairly crude coding system compared with modern 16 or more electrode units. AFAIK no complex electronic device has ever been manufactured or stocked in its original form for 70 years (OK, you can still buy vacuum tubes designed in 1940, but they aren't used for digital signal processing). So if we implant a profoundly deaf small child (the procedure is much more effective if done before the age of 5) we have  recruited him to the hearing world and effectively excluded him from the deaf community, so he won't become proficient in signing and lipreading. But at some point we will be unable to support the implant: replacement is more complicated and risky than the initial surgery, and rehabilitation can be distressing or even fail completely because the new unit "sounds" nothing like the old one. So with the best of intentions, we are condemning our patient to an unpredictable and  major lifechanging event in mid-career, mid-family, peak expectation. If we could find some way of replicating the function with an external device we could instead smoothly upgrade the software and hardware and reprogram the brain incrementally as new versions arose.
Title: Re: Are we able to make sustainable implants?
Post by: Bored chemist on 22/09/2018 00:49:23
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emulator
Title: Re: Are we able to make sustainable implants?
Post by: evan_au on 22/09/2018 02:02:30
Quote from: Yaha
I will never extract a milliwatt from my body using an implant
But maybe you are already extracting microWatts with external devices like a self-winding watch, a pedometer, a fitness monitor or smartphone accelerometer?

And if you have ever used a sleeping bag, you have extracted tens of Watts from your sleeping body - for your own comfort!
Title: Re: Are we able to make sustainable implants?
Post by: scientizscht on 22/09/2018 15:07:19
Quote from: Yaha
I will never extract a milliwatt from my body using an implant
But maybe you are already extracting microWatts with external devices like a self-winding watch, a pedometer, a fitness monitor or smartphone accelerometer?

And if you have ever used a sleeping bag, you have extracted tens of Watts from your sleeping body - for your own comfort!

Well said.
Title: Re: Are we able to make sustainable implants?
Post by: Yahya on 27/09/2018 13:43:12
Quote from: Yaha
I will never extract a milliwatt from my body using an implant
But maybe you are already extracting microWatts with external devices like a self-winding watch, a pedometer, a fitness monitor or smartphone accelerometer?

And if you have ever used a sleeping bag, you have extracted tens of Watts from your sleeping body - for your own comfort!
.......And several watts from riding a bicycle .But that does not involve a risky and unpleasant process of putting implants inside one's body.
Title: Re: Are we able to make sustainable implants?
Post by: scientizscht on 27/09/2018 17:53:25
Quote from: Yaha
I will never extract a milliwatt from my body using an implant
But maybe you are already extracting microWatts with external devices like a self-winding watch, a pedometer, a fitness monitor or smartphone accelerometer?

And if you have ever used a sleeping bag, you have extracted tens of Watts from your sleeping body - for your own comfort!
.......And several watts from riding a bicycle .But that does not involve a risky and unpleasant process of putting implants inside one's body.

You already have earrings.

And if you are asked to put implants it would be to save your life.
Title: Re: Are we able to make sustainable implants?
Post by: Yahya on 28/09/2018 20:37:04
Quote from: Yaha
I will never extract a milliwatt from my body using an implant
But maybe you are already extracting microWatts with external devices like a self-winding watch, a pedometer, a fitness monitor or smartphone accelerometer?

And if you have ever used a sleeping bag, you have extracted tens of Watts from your sleeping body - for your own comfort!
.......And several watts from riding a bicycle .But that does not involve a risky and unpleasant process of putting implants inside one's body.

You already have earrings.

And if you are asked to put implants it would be to save your life.
Earrings have permanent holes in the ear and doesn't need to make new hole each time.
If implants are for emergency reasons and to save my life then it is OK.
Title: Re: Are we able to make sustainable implants?
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/09/2018 00:20:08
.......And several watts from riding a bicycle .But that does not involve a risky and unpleasant process of putting implants inside one's body.
Could you point out where, in this thread, anyone said that people would do this for kicks and giggles?

As I said,
I don't like injections
Do you think that many people do like them?

You started off by saying  this
I will never extract a milliwatt from my body using an implant

Have you accepted that you were being silly when you said that?
Especially now that you say  this
... then it is OK.

If so, perhaps you should learn not to judge things before you understand them