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Just Chat! / Re: Did Jesus die on the cross ?

« on: 17/03/2018 15:09:54 »

People witnessed Jesus being crucified two millennia ago and thus had a different understanding of life and death than we do now. The OP made this point and it was a good one.

A good movie which tells an interesting story which I recommend watching is The Man from Earth which is online for free at: https://123movieshub.to/film/the-man-from-earth-10773/

It tells the story of an immortal man who identifies himself as many well-know figures in history, including Jesus. In the movie he said that he didn't die on the cross but through his studies with the Buddha he was able to change his life signs so that he appeared to be dead. A similar thing could have happened with Jesus. He might have actually died for a few short minutes but the jostling of his body buy those taking him down could have revived him but no to the point of being notable to others. 

There's also a story in the bible where a child is brought back to life from a (cold state as I recall) when a man covered the boys body with his and breathed into him. This is basically what it means to resuscitate a person who died.

I know about this event because I keep an open mind and as such read the Bible cover to cover twice. Had I not then I'd never have known about this important piece of information which is of historical significance.

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Just Chat! / Re: Did Jesus die on the cross ?

« on: 17/03/2018 15:04:09 »

The christian elites did have an uneducated and superstitious populace that they could manipulate and threaten into becoming murderous crusaders.

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Just Chat! / Re: Did Jesus die on the cross ?

« on: 17/03/2018 14:41:11 »

Did Jesus die on the cross? It's a fairly efficient way of torturing people to death in a few hours at most, though it's mostly done nowadays by stress hanging - less carpentry involved than in a public spectacle.

The whole story is a bit weird. Whilst nailing a carpenter to a cross has a certain irony, crucifixion was a Roman tradition, not a Jewish one, and occupying powers don't generally leave the execution of a revolutionary folk hero to the natives, nor encourage their soldiers to attend executions ordered by the locals.

Another neat bit of irony by the Roman authorities: Offered the choice of releasing one prisoner, the crowd apparently yelled "Bar Abbas" - the Son of the Father, and they got some scumbag called Barabbas instead.

The resurrection is obvious bunkum. If you can move a stone from A to B, you can move it from B to A by muscle, not magic. Why would anyone set a guard over a tomb unless there was a strong likelihood that someone would break in and steal a body? Even if the body evaporated by magic, how come the guard never saw the stone move from B to A? And if it was magic, why move the stone at all?

The real mystery of human stupidity is how the death of one rabbi became a pretext for the murder of untold hundreds more, and their congregations, long after the Roman empire collapsed..

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Just Chat! / Re: Did Jesus die on the cross ?

« on: 17/03/2018 09:49:01 »

Give or take the lack of evidence for any single "Jesus" in the first place, it's as plausible a story as any.

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Physiology & Medicine / Re: What can you tell me about p3 deletion?

« on: 16/03/2018 18:38:23 »

Yes, I don't think it's called "petrie"; I think you may have misheard that; the syndrome in question is "3p deletion" - it's where a segment of the short "p" arm of chromosome 3 has been lost from some or all of the cells in the body. If the loss is inherited from the sperm or egg that made the individual then every cell will carry the change and the syndrome is likely to be more severe. If the deletion occurs within one of the stem cells forming the developing embryo then there is the potential for fewer of the body's cells to be affected and the syndrome may be less severe. Equally, the scale of the deletion may vary between individuals; if fewer genes are affected, the presentation may be less severe than if more genes have been lost.

Broadly, 3p deletion can present with intellectual and social disabilities (like autism), growth restraint and muscle problems. Because these are genetic problems, then unfortunately, there is no prospect, at the moment at least, for a patient to be cured I'm sorry to say...

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Physiology & Medicine / Re: What can you tell me about p3 deletion?

« on: 16/03/2018 13:52:29 »

Petrie or P3 deletion ... only around 180 cases world wide ... any links, or sources of information about this syndrome ...

There is a rare-disease called "3P syndrome", a/k/a "Deletion 3p25" ...

Chromosome 3p- syndrome
Other Names: Del(3p) syndrome; Chromosome 3, monosomy 3p25; Deletion 3p25 

https://rarediseases.info.nih.gov/diseases/3750/chromosome-3p--syndrome

http://www.rarechromo.org/information/Chromosome%20%203/3p25%20deletions%20FTNW.pdf