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On the Lighter Side => That CAN'T be true! => Topic started by: Tristan Lenzo on 20/11/2008 15:02:21

Title: How long does a body take to decompose in concrete?
Post by: Tristan Lenzo on 20/11/2008 15:02:21

Tristan Lenzo  asked the Naked Scientists:

How long would it take a body to completely decompose if it were in a concrete container?

Tristan,
From New Mexico

What do you think?

Title: How long does a body take to decompose in concrete?
Post by: Chemistry4me on 22/11/2008 22:55:58

Would the amount of time be any different than if the body was in the ground/soil?

Title: How long does a body take to decompose in concrete?
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/11/2008 10:15:43

Quote from: Chemistry4me on 22/11/2008 22:55:58

Would the amount of time be any different than if the body was in the ground/soil?

Fewer worms.
Also fewer bacteria- concrete is very alkaline and will inhibit a lot of bugs.
In any event, the bones will be there for a long time so it's not a good way to get rid of a murder victim if that's what you had in mind ;-)

Title: How long does a body take to decompose in concrete?
Post by: yor_on on 29/11/2008 20:53:20

Try to dip your hand in wet/fresh concrete.
It will eat it up.
So I do believe it differs.
But then again after it has 'burned' through enough that you can walk on it it wont 'expand very much, but it will suck the water out of the body.
So my guess is some kind of 'hole room' like in Popeji with a badly 'corroded' mummy inside.
But it will come back to haunt you:)

Title: How long does a body take to decompose in concrete?
Post by: Don_1 on 03/12/2008 10:35:18

Quote from: Bored chemist on 23/11/2008 10:15:43

In any event, the bones will be there for a long time so it's not a good way to get rid of a murder victim if that's what you had in mind ;-)

And so to plan 'B'.

Curses, all that time and effort wasted digging up the patio!

Title: How long does a body take to decompose in concrete?
Post by: dentstudent on 03/12/2008 10:53:21

Quote from: yor_on on 29/11/2008 20:53:20

Try to dip your hand in wet/fresh concrete.
It will eat it up.
So I do believe it differs.
But then again after it has 'burned' through enough that you can walk on it it wont 'expand very much, but it will suck the water out of the body.
So my guess is some kind of 'hole room' like in Popeji with a badly 'corroded' mummy inside.
But it will come back to haunt you:)

Isn't there a lot of lime in cement, which is corrosive?

Title: How long does a body take to decompose in concrete?
Post by: yor_on on 04/12/2008 13:21:16

limestone is a major ingredient in cement.
http://www.es.ucl.ac.uk/schools/UCL/cement.htm
And getting cement (burns) in your eye can make you blind if you don't immediately rinse it off.

Title: How long does a body take to decompose in concrete?
Post by: dentstudent on 04/12/2008 13:28:24

IIRC, lime was thrown into graves to accelerate decomposition? At least, that is what happened in "Amadeus", and because it's a film, it MUST be right.....

Title: How long does a body take to decompose in concrete?
Post by: Bored chemist on 04/12/2008 19:19:33

A few murderers have been caught because they believed that quicklime would destroy a body. Actually it draws the moisture out and mumifies it. Ordinary (slaked) lime as used in mortar is corrosive but it's not very soluble and I don't know how good a job it would do of destroying a body.
I believe that enzyme based detergents of the sort used in dish washing machines do a good job of destroying the flesh, but you still have to get rid of the bones.