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If the universe, in particular space, is infinite, it could've become infinite one nanosecond after the Big Bang. Infinity, as such, is unmeasurable, and who is to say that, in a holographic model of the universe, whilst the speed of light if finite, it takes several billion years for the universe to become infinite? To measure unmeasurable by using the passage of linear time, and from our very human perspective, ‘tis fruitless in its conception. Infinity strongly suggests creationism rather than evolution, unless such term (infinity) is used to describe something extremely big that used to be extremely small, having singularity likewise human imperfections in mind, who usually think in small terms, that is to say, the inability to comprehend: infinity. The model of expanding universe has a finite speed, and as such removes infinity (the universe extending forever into space and time) from the equation, in particular since it is deeply connected to linear time, hence spacetime continuum. Or, dark energy has such properties, where one of them is capable to “stretch” to infinity, having in mind a simulated universe and the illusion of mass.

And that is why Jesus said: “(…) I tell you the truth, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; nothing will be impossible for you." A mountain is imposing, but in a holographic universe, it represents a great illusion. It appears, dozens of Stone Giants are, actually, smaller than ants, considering that their mass fits in something a lot smaller than an ant, paraphrasing words by Anthony Peake: “99.9 of atom is empty space, whilst protons, neutrons and electrons are not physical bodies, rather fluctuations in a field of energy; and, to top that, the entire mass that comprises the entire human race fits — into a sugar cube!” Furthermore, and considering mass alone, Earth (using my words) is actually the size of a hot air balloon. I believe, that this makes us: ghosts, who think that we are flesh and bone because of digital projection of our consciousness. In a dream world a lot more is possible than thought centuries before, like, flying to the moon, sending voice over the ocean, discovering phantom DNK etc., things that were unthinkable before the bloom of science, and now are but well-known “things” and even trivial.
 
Just because you're unable to count the stars it does not automatically mean that they are infinite in number. There are a lot of Hindu Indians, but this neither suggests, to a country like Lichtenstein, an analogy that their number is infinite nor that there is an infinite number of stars, though there are charming Bollywood stars. For all you know, you could be in a holodeck thinking that you are in an infinitely big universe. The analogy is treadmill (running machine). Imagine that you were running, like a hamster in hamster wheel, or even better, Usain Bolt, at a constant speed of 44.72km/h (thanks to Gatorade) for 13.7 billion years on a treadmill. Now, how many kilometers did you travel — for real? The answer is: zero. Yes. Zero kilometers. And that might as well be the truth regarding this universe: it does not even have one lousy kilometer. Ah, we are but prisoners of virtual reality . . .

If, perchance, you’d like another analogy, well then: wait no more (tempus fugit)! Let’s say, that the scepter of our Lord is made out of plain wood. Because he was a modest carpenter. But, there is something very special about it, and, not easily understood, that is to say, it is infinitely long. If you’d mark the stick with a red color by making “a red ring”, that’d be the middle of the stick. Why? Forwhy infinity, although unmeasurable, it always has equal length. If you’d paint another red mark 100 miles from the 1st mark, that mark too would be the middle of the infinitely long stick, forwhy, although unmeasurable, infinity is equivalent to another infinity: considering the length of the stick on the left of the red mark and (the very same) length on the right from the red mark, be it the 1st or 2nd red mark. If one undergoes a tremendous project of trying to measure the exact length of this infinitely long stick, he’d be capable to measure — the middle of the stick only, forwhy the middle of an infinitely long stick is — every nanometer of the stick. And so, the length of an infinitely long stick equals zero, that is to say, infinity, as such, can only exist in a holographic model of the universe. Infinity is, pretty much, a proof that, if it exists in this universe, we are all located in — a holodeck.

And so considering illusions and "space"time continuum, the only thing that might be real in this universe is consciousness that is dependable to the passage of time. So one might say that there are two real dimensions: consciousness and time, where space (that is to say, three special dimensions) is compromised to such degree that we, perhaps, ought to try to find real space: our true home: holodeck — — — and get the hell out of there?!

From this I conclude that the universe is two-dimensional, talking 'bout two-dimensional universe theory. Thanks for tuning in.


Domagoj

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If there are two members who have opposite views, they night be you and me, lol.

If you want alternatives to your ideas, and objections that I would have to the concept that the universe is two-dimensional, I would be willing to participate:

For example, to quote from your first line, "If the universe, in particular space, is infinite, it could've become infinite one nanosecond after the Big Bang."

I could suggest that the universe (space if you like) has always existed and has always been infinite, and our Big Bang might have been one unremarkable event in a landscape of the greater universe where big bang events are commonplace.

[clueless (OP)]

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I could suggest that the universe (space if you like) has always existed and has always been infinite, and our Big Bang might have been one unremarkable event in a landscape of the greater universe where big bang events are commonplace.

You opened my eyes. I was blind but now I see. Or do I? I could go blind again. Thanks for stopping by. Hell, let's turn this into an endless discussion!

Or time is linear; so how could it "always" be there, the greater universe, I mean? What you suggest is closer to timelessness likewise eternity, something that hasn't been observed - - - as of yet. Hmm.

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You opened my eyes. I was blind but now I see. Or do I? I could go blind again. Thanks for stopping by. Hell, let's turn this into an endless discussion!

Lol, don't get me wrong. I respect the "God did it" explanation for the existence of the universe, and I also respect the way you get right to the infinity of space, a nano second after the beginning.

If I could offer an alternative philosophy to creation, it would be to consider the possibility that God and the Universe are one and the same, and that just like I would accept the three infinities of space, time, and energy, I would leave room for the idea that as part of the Universe, there is something else that could have always existed: Eternal Intent.

Eternal Intent, given the three other infinities, would mean that the universe has always provided hospitable environments for the generation and evolution of life. In that philosophy, life has always existed.

[clueless (OP)]

How 'bout this? This universe could be - - - one of the three hearts of God, which powers Him, giving him more energy, forwhy He feeds on our aura, and auras of many, many aliens. That is why the anthropic principle stands for something, talking about Hamlet being bounded in a nut-shell, together with You and me. Man, you really inspire me!

[Bogie_smiles]

How 'bout this? This universe could be - - - one of the three hearts of God, which powers Him, giving him more energy, forwhy He feeds on our aura, and auras of many, many aliens. That is why the anthropic principle stands for something, talking about Hamlet being bounded in a nut-shell, together with You and me. Man, you really inspire me!

How about this: The God and the Universe might be one and the same, and could include a potentially infinite number of living hearts at any given moment in the eternal history of Universe and Life.

[clueless (OP)]

Hold your horses a bit. I need time to assimilate this info (and possibly accept it). Nice debating with you. See you again. And, if you have more thoughts to share, please do (pretending to this topic). 

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Or time is linear; so how could it "always" be there, the greater universe, I mean? What you suggest is closer to timelessness likewise eternity, something that hasn't been observed - - - as of yet. Hmm.

You have nailed it. Suggesting that infinite time would have to be a part of the greater universe, i.e., eternity, goes hand in hand with infinite space, and infinite energy, making up the three infinities of space, time, and energy.


Once the physics of it all gets contemplated in the contest of the Infinite, then Eternal Intent can be true as well. Without the three infinities, Eternal Intent sounds like the “God did it” explanation for the existence of the universe out of nothingness, and this is a science forum. The scientific method doesn’t recognize things like the Supernatural when you think of it as something outside of the invariant laws of nature. However, if all of the invariant natural laws have always existed, the intent of the existence of the universe could have also always existed; very philosophical I’d admit.

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Two dimensions....like space and time are the two dimensions together?

[clueless (OP)]

(...) very philosophical I’d admit.

Too philosophical I'd admit. But, sometimes I do have my moments. And, it is always a great pleasure to be part of this fine community - - - even though I'm not a scientist, rather just naked at times (not a nudist). 

[opportunity]

What dimension are you on already?

[clueless (OP)]

What dimension are you on already?

Whatever do you mean? I mentioned two dimensions: consciousness and time, considering space, or "space" if you will, as a holodeck illusion.

[Bogie_smiles]

Too philosophical I'd admit. But, sometimes I do have my moments. ...

When we find ourselves looking at views that are alternative to our own comfortable and well considered views, there is a moment of hesitation, followed by thoughtful consideration, and an anticipation that our views will again stabilize, either to include new ideas, or to reconfirmation our already accepted world view.

The important parts of my world view:

There is one infinite and eternal universe (the greater universe within which our observable universe resides)

The observable universe is referred to as our Hubble view

Our Hubble view is part of a big bang arena that is connected to our local big bang event

Our big bang arena is expanding within the three dimensional landscape of the greater universe

The greater universe is a multiple big bang arena landscape where big bang arena waves expand, converge, form big crunches out the combined galactic material and energy, and the crunches collapse/bang to produce new expanding big bang arena waves

There is a big bang arena action process that governs the preconditions that are common to all big bang events

The arena action process defeats entropy

The landscape of the greater universe is eternal, open, and in a steady state of perpetual big bang arena action

The infinite and eternal universe has always featured hospitable environments that host the generation and evolution of life

The evolution of life leads to the mind, consciousness, and self awareness possessed by higher life forms

Logically, life abounds throughout the landscape of the greater universe, but is separated by such vast distances that detection and general confirmation of extraterrestrial life has not yet occurred

[clueless (OP)]

Logically, life abounds throughout the landscape of the greater universe, but is separated by such vast distances that detection and general confirmation of extraterrestrial life has not yet occurred

Are you sure? I saw Klingons on my TV. Allow me to explain by quoting J.K. Rowling :“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” If emotional content is strong, and if your eyes see Klingons, does that mean that you have no emotions and that you are actually blind to extraterrestrial life?! If it feels real, it is real, from your perspective. Earth, likewise the universe that you're viewing from the Hubble Space Telescope, are you sure that 'tis not a holographic simulation, that is to say, 3D TV, in which characters have AI or consciousness, a 3D television watched by God (talking 'bout The Truman Show)? Maybe there is greater universe, but, are we truly part of it and, what does it mean to us, other than being imprisoned in a holographic universe that fits in God's 3D TV? If an imperfect life form is looking for perfection likewise a perfect world with no beginning or end, his strive is misplaced and he fights a struggle he cannot possibly win, be it humility or megalomania. God and heaven or greater universe is the only thing that makes sense, that is to say, true meaning could only be found in the afterlife: an unexplored dimension, the world of the dead, aside for near-death experiences that are deficient. Are you truly prepared to venture that far? Of course you are: death is inevitable, when energy of the deceased takes another form. There are a lot of question unanswered, too many, whilst those answered did not make us very happy. Sorry man. I am in a bad mood today . . . 

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Are you sure?

Confident …

I saw Klingons on my TV. Allow me to explain by quoting J.K. Rowling :“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” If emotional content is strong, and if your eyes see Klingons, does that mean that you have no emotions and that you are actually blind to extraterrestrial life?! If it feels real, it is real, from your perspective.

Not necessarily, in that J.K. Rowling example, if it is happening inside Harry’s head, it is imaginary.

Earth, likewise the universe that you're viewing from the Hubble Space Telescope, are you sure that 'tis not a holographic simulation, that is to say, 3D TV, in which characters have AI or consciousness, a 3D television watched by God?

Pretty confident it is the visible content of three dimensional space.

Maybe there is greater universe, but, are we truly part of it and, what does it mean to us, other than being imprisoned in a holographic universe that fits in God's 3D TV?

If there isn’t a greater universe beyond our Hubble view, then the reason and logic of highly evolved life forms like humans cannot be depended upon to be our guides throughout the universe. So far, that reason and logic has been dependable in human endeavors to the moon and solar system, space exploration. I think it is fair to expect reason and logic to hold up as we venture further out into space.

If an imperfect life form is looking for perfection likewise a perfect world with no beginning or end, his strive is misplaced and he fights a struggle he cannot possibly win, be it humility or megalomania.

There are many ways the human mind can deceive itself, or be deceived by others. But striving to deceive others, instead of offering thoughtful alternatives to them, would be misplaced and an error of humility.

God and heaven or greater universe is the only thing that makes sense, that is to say, true meaning could only be found in the afterlife: an unexplored dimension, the world of the dead, aside for near-death experiences that are deficient. Are you truly prepared to venture that far? Of course you are: death is inevitable, when energy of the deceased takes another form. There are a lot of question unanswered, to many, whilst those answered did not make us very happy. Sorry man. I am in a bad mood today . . . 

Being human brings with it the benefit of a living vehicle to take us through what ever our lives have in store. And while being alive, we only have memories of being alive, and though our bodies will fail and die, we will never have memories of death, so I parlay that thought to a positive affirmation that all humans past, present (including me and you), and future, will only ever know life.