Post by: guest39538 on 20/04/2019 01:37:07
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Post by: evan_au on 20/04/2019 09:45:13
Quote from: TheBox
A BoxThis is incomprehensible.
Please phrase it as a question, or it will be deleted in 24 hours.
Please attach some descriptive text, or it will be an unanswerable question.
Post by: guest39538 on 20/04/2019 10:01:59
It's not a question , it's a design with workable physics . You don't expect me to give the entire information of the design away do you when there is no copyrights or patents ?Quote from: TheBoxA BoxThis is incomprehensible.
Please phrase it as a question, or it will be deleted in 24 hours.
Please attach some descriptive text, or it will be an unanswerable question.
I'll explain in principle , I've reversed a camera mechanics , it is the opposite function of a camera .
Dude it's a weapon , I can't be too open can I …?
If you want me sayin open chat all the details so everyone can make one , no problem , it will hardly be unique then though and generate British science some investment from overseas .
added - I've offered before even though I can't afford it to come down to Cambridge and demonstrate to you a few ''tricks'' .
My designs are workable designs , I know how physics works .
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/04/2019 10:53:17
You don't expect me to give the entire information of the design away do you when there is no copyrights or patents ?Yes and no.
Since that sort of disclosure is something you signed up to when you joined the site; yes, we do expect it.
If you don't feel that's appropriate then don't post it here. If you don't post it then, No, we don't expect you to post further details.
Your best bet is to delete the thread, because it's not doing anything useful.
Post by: guest39538 on 20/04/2019 11:18:08
If I don't post something and delete the thread , how am I suppose to get interest in doing some experimental research ?You don't expect me to give the entire information of the design away do you when there is no copyrights or patents ?Yes and no.
Since that sort of disclosure is something you signed up to when you joined the site; yes, we do expect it.
If you don't feel that's appropriate then don't post it here. If you don't post it then, No, we don't expect you to post further details.
Your best bet is to delete the thread, because it's not doing anything useful.
If I explain the main design , anyone could do it . I want to keep it in the UK . But if I don't tell you about the design , you'd never know .
I'm stuffed if I tell you , I'm stuffed if I don't . Science makes it very difficult to proceed . You'll just have to trust me I know physics and the design I have workable physics , how good it is going to be depends , but it will 100% work because when I open an oven door , I am blasted with the transition of energy .
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/04/2019 12:15:17
how am I suppose to get interest in doing some experimental research ?You won't.
You have a track record of pretending to understand stuff, but being monumentally wrong.
Why would anyone fund you?
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/04/2019 12:16:30
ut it will 100% work because when I open an oven door , I am blasted with the transition of energy .Ovens, too, are full of hot air.
Post by: guest39538 on 20/04/2019 12:21:09
I never said fund me, I said do some experimental research . Why would anybody ? Because I have some really good physic ideas .how am I suppose to get interest in doing some experimental research ?You won't.
You have a track record of pretending to understand stuff, but being monumentally wrong.
Why would anyone fund you?
Quote
Ovens, too, are full of hot air.
Yes , obviously , as my box contains U .
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/04/2019 12:24:19
Because I have some really good physic ideas .Where?
And why do you post dross here if you also have good ideas.
I wonder if you wear glasses.
I do. That's why I know that what hits you when you open the oven door is warm wet air from the oven. That's why my specs steam up while cooking.
Post by: guest39538 on 20/04/2019 12:29:19
Because I have some really good physic ideas .Where?
And why do you post dross here if you also have good ideas.
I wonder if you wear glasses.
I do. That's why I know that what hits you when you open the oven door is warm wet air from the oven. That's why my specs steam up while cooking.
Using air and an oven was an example MR C of transition . You always want too many free details .
Idea thieves I swear .
F³ = <V = >ρIf you don't understand that math Mr C , you need to give up .
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/04/2019 12:36:46
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bra%E2%80%93ket_notation
and failing.
In any event it would be impossible to say what you mean because, for example, ρ is used for 4 different things in physics and you haven't said which one you mean.
So, what do you think the letters mean?
Post by: guest39538 on 20/04/2019 12:40:35
You seem to be trying to use thisM = mass
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bra%E2%80%93ket_notation
and failing.
In any event it would be impossible to say what you mean because, for example, ρ is used for 4 different things in physics and you haven't said which one you mean.
So, what do you think the letters mean?
D=density
V=volume
<=less than
>=greater than
ρ=density
F=force
My math does not fail in explanation Mr C
added - ΔΕ=9.81j/m Δ 944.076141j/m I think it is ..
P.s Both of those results being a dependent variable , the design is a variable design considering safety aspects .
Post by: evan_au on 20/04/2019 13:00:26
Quote from: TheBox
You don't expect me to give the entire information of the design away do you when there is no copyrights or patents ?There are Copyrights, and they are free.
- All you have to do is put a note down the bottom of the picture that says "Copyright 2019, The Box" (although your actual name would be better).
- That will prevent someone making copies of your diagram and distributing them for money
- But it won't stop people on the discussion board where you posted it discussing them (this is "fair use")
- Most importantly, Copyright does not protect an invention. If someone draws a picture of their oven, and uses a different way of showing heat coming out of their oven, it doesn't violate your copyright, and they can make as many copies of it as they like (provided that it isn't a blatant copy, eg mirror image reversal, or thicker lines, etc)
To protect an invention, you need a patent.
- The first step is to define the invention - what is novel and useful
- The next step is to search for any other patents that may have similar ideas ("prior art"). Fortunately, Google has some patent search tools
- I imagine many people have had the idea of a stove with a door you can open! So there will be lots of prior art.
- Then you have to document the patent, with all the details so anyone skilled in the art could reproduce it.
- And explain in detail what is novel about your invention, and why yours is different from all previous patents
- If you want this to be enforceable, you will get a patent attorney to help you. This will cost thousands of pounds/dollars; I have dealt with these guys, and they speak a language all their own!
- Then you have to file the patent with the patent office (and pay 4000 pounds), where it will be examined, queried, and filed under a suitable category.
- You can't patent a law of nature or a formula (although the patent office has become more flexible about patenting algorithms)
- If you have a well-written patent application, and are very quick about answering all the questions, you will get a patent awarded after about 5 years and a lot of money, after which you can discuss it with other people without a non-disclosure agreement. Then they will tell you how much money they think it is worth.
Filing a patent used to cost a lot of money, but now many countries have a cheap self-filing patent system for individuals (but the UK doesn't seem to be one of them)
- These self-filing systems only have a simple review - if an application is clearly unsuitable, it may be rejected at this stage
- But the difficulty really comes if you want to enforce it later - you may find that the language used by ordinary people makes it totally unenforceable
So you could file a patent, which will cost you a lot of money, and a lot of time and have to answer a lot of tough questions, only to be told it is worthless...
- Or you could just tell us about it, and we'll do it for free! (and quite quickly, too, if the past is any guide...)
- I think you will save yourself a lot of grief if you just describe it fully on the discussion board....
See: https://www.gov.uk/patent-your-invention/decide-to-apply
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/04/2019 13:11:24
OK, so, as usual, you are wrong by dimensional analysis.You seem to be trying to use thisM = mass
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bra%E2%80%93ket_notation
and failing.
In any event it would be impossible to say what you mean because, for example, ρ is used for 4 different things in physics and you haven't said which one you mean.
So, what do you think the letters mean?
D=density
V=volume
<=less than
>=greater than
ρ=density
F=force
My math does not fail in explanation Mr C
added - ΔΕ=9.81j/m Δ 944.076141j/m I think it is ..
P.s Both of those results being a dependent variable , the design is a variable design considering safety aspects .
Nobody is going to invest in something which a bright schoolkid could show to be wrong.
But that won't stop you getting a patent.
Post by: guest39538 on 20/04/2019 13:11:40
I will post the full idea on here soon , whatever happens , happens .Quote from: TheBoxYou don't expect me to give the entire information of the design away do you when there is no copyrights or patents ?There are Copyrights, and they are free.
- All you have to do is put a note down the bottom of the picture that says "Copyright 2019, The Box" (although your actual name would be better).
- That will prevent someone making copies of your diagram and distributing them for money
- But it won't stop people on the discussion board where you posted it discussing them (this is "fair use")
- Most importantly, Copyright does not protect an invention. If someone draws a picture of their oven, and uses a different way of showing heat coming out of their oven, it doesn't violate your copyright, and they can make as many copies of it as they like (provided that it isn't a blatant copy, eg mirror image reversal, or thicker lines, etc)
To protect an invention, you need a patent.
- The first step is to define the invention - what is novel and useful
- The next step is to search for any other patents that may have similar ideas ("prior art"). Fortunately, Google has some patent search tools
- I imagine many people have had the idea of a stove with a door you can open! So there will be lots of prior art.
- Then you have to document the patent, with all the details so anyone skilled in the art could reproduce it.
- And explain in detail what is novel about your invention, and why yours is different from all previous patents
- If you want this to be enforceable, you will get a patent attorney to help you. This will cost thousands of pounds/dollars; I have dealt with these guys, and they speak a language all their own!
- Then you have to file the patent with the patent office (and pay 4000 pounds), where it will be examined, queried, and filed under a suitable category.
- You can't patent a law of nature or a formula (although the patent office has become more flexible about patenting algorithms)
- If you have a well-written patent application, and are very quick about answering all the questions, you will get a patent awarded after about 5 years and a lot of money, after which you can discuss it with other people without a non-disclosure agreement. Then they will tell you how much money they think it is worth.
Filing a patent used to cost a lot of money, but now many countries have a cheap self-filing patent system for individuals (but the UK doesn't seem to be one of them)
- These self-filing systems only have a simple review - if an application is clearly unsuitable, it may be rejected at this stage
- But the difficulty really comes if you want to enforce it later - you may find that the language used by ordinary people makes it totally unenforceable
So you could file a patent, which will cost you a lot of money, and a lot of time and have to answer a lot of tough questions, only to be told it is worthless...
- Or you could just tell us about it, and we'll do it for free! (and quite quickly, too, if the past is any guide...)
- I think you will save yourself a lot of grief if you just describe it fully on the discussion board....
See: https://www.gov.uk/patent-your-invention/decide-to-apply
Post by: guest39538 on 20/04/2019 13:14:10
Nobody is going to invest in something which a bright schoolkid could show to be wrong.
You are wrong Mr C , it will work . How efficient it may be can only be concluded by experiment , the results from the experiment will fill in the blanks , the measures .
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/04/2019 13:16:25
Your maths is still wrong.Nobody is going to invest in something which a bright schoolkid could show to be wrong.
You are wrong Mr C , it will work . How efficient it may be can only be concluded by experiment , the results from the experiment will fill in the blanks , the measures .
Post by: guest39538 on 20/04/2019 13:25:27
How is it when it explains my design and is the math for that design ? You can't say it is wrong based on you don't understand it , I'd demonstrate it to you in person ever so easily .Your maths is still wrong.Nobody is going to invest in something which a bright schoolkid could show to be wrong.
You are wrong Mr C , it will work . How efficient it may be can only be concluded by experiment , the results from the experiment will fill in the blanks , the measures .
Like I said it is a variable , I specifically have designed it that way because it can go nuclear and that is one main reason I don't want to reveal too much information in open forum chat .
The measures will be easy to put in after , you know trial and error until it achieves what is required .
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/04/2019 13:29:20
Unfortunately, you were too busy telling me how clever you are, and how little I understand , to actually understand it.
Have another go.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensional_analysis
I'd demonstrate it to you in person ever so easily .Do it by video.
Post by: guest39538 on 20/04/2019 13:53:11
I already explained why it's wrong.I could do a video , you don't seem to understand the danger of my notion though , it is not something that I should be openly discussing in full detail .
Unfortunately, you were too busy telling me how clever you are, and how little I understand , to actually understand it.
Have another go.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensional_analysisI'd demonstrate it to you in person ever so easily .Do it by video.
I understand security ...
Post by: The Spoon on 20/04/2019 19:19:05
Post by: guest39538 on 20/04/2019 19:56:37
Don't feed the idiot trollWe won't , we'll ignore you .
Post by: jeffreyH on 21/04/2019 13:35:22
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What does U represent? What does F represent? What does X represent? What does t represent? I ask because you make none of this clear. What are the units of each variable? What dimensional analysis did you use to arrive at these units?
Post by: guest39538 on 21/04/2019 15:23:54
What does U represent? What does F represent? What does X represent? What does t represent? I ask because you make none of this clear. What are the units of each variable? What dimensional analysis did you use to arrive at these units?
How can I explain it to you without giving it away totally ? If I explain U , internal energy and F force, x obviously a vector and t is time , then everyone would have the idea and the worth is lost .
Can I PM you the process to see what you think ?
Post by: Kryptid on 21/04/2019 17:51:59
Quote
How can I explain it to you without giving it away totally ?
It makes no sense to try to talk about an idea if you aren't even willing to explain it well enough that other people can understand it. If I say, "Yu politu rety lo reon" and people don't know what I'm talking about while I'm unwilling to explain it, what have I accomplished?
Post by: guest39538 on 21/04/2019 20:57:39
QuoteHow can I explain it to you without giving it away totally ?
It makes no sense to try to talk about an idea if you aren't even willing to explain it well enough that other people can understand it. If I say, "Yu politu rety lo reon" and people don't know what I'm talking about while I'm unwilling to explain it, what have I accomplished?
Post by: jeffreyH on 21/04/2019 21:17:15
Post by: guest39538 on 21/04/2019 21:29:21
Why the cube of force? What on earth does that even mean? Force is a vector. The square of a vector is a scalar, a single number. Multiplying the vector again by a scalar in this situation is meaningless. You would be better off learning about tensors. The inertia tensor would be your best place to start. Try applying some thought. Then maybe you might start having productive conversations.Why a cube of force ? Because the force is isotropic
Post by: jeffreyH on 21/04/2019 21:38:36
Post by: guest39538 on 21/04/2019 21:50:37
Isotropic means the force is the same in all directions. Cubing it doesn't show that. You are cubing the force in only one particular direction. There are 3 orthogonal axes. These are x, y and z. You could call them x1, x2 and x3 respectively. Your vectors then consist of the three values [x1 x2 x3]. You then need to know how to manipulate the values to get a meaningful result.I know the physics involved even if my math is not precise , the force is equal in all directions and I can manipulate the force with a variable magnitude .
I think I could just say
Post by: Kryptid on 21/04/2019 22:40:45
If that was supposed to be an answer, it didn't make sense either.
Post by: jeffreyH on 22/04/2019 12:23:35
Isotropic means the force is the same in all directions. Cubing it doesn't show that. You are cubing the force in only one particular direction. There are 3 orthogonal axes. These are x, y and z. You could call them x1, x2 and x3 respectively. Your vectors then consist of the three values [x1 x2 x3]. You then need to know how to manipulate the values to get a meaningful result.I know the physics involved even if my math is not precise , the force is equal in all directions and I can manipulate the force with a variable magnitude .
I think I could just say
If U is energy then multiplying it with force makes no sense either. Force times distance equals work done equals energy. However, force is a vector quantity so it isn't quite so simple.
Post by: guest39538 on 22/04/2019 13:24:01
Isotropic means the force is the same in all directions. Cubing it doesn't show that. You are cubing the force in only one particular direction. There are 3 orthogonal axes. These are x, y and z. You could call them x1, x2 and x3 respectively. Your vectors then consist of the three values [x1 x2 x3]. You then need to know how to manipulate the values to get a meaningful result.I know the physics involved even if my math is not precise , the force is equal in all directions and I can manipulate the force with a variable magnitude .
I think I could just say
If U is energy then multiplying it with force makes no sense either. Force times distance equals work done equals energy. However, force is a vector quantity so it isn't quite so simple.
To be honest it needs no maths , I can add the maths after the experiment .
Place U in an isotropic vice and turn the vice handle UF³
The force is centripetal and isotropic , the
will decrease in volume but become more dense . MF³
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/04/2019 14:33:37
You still have not fixed the problem I pointed out earlier.Isotropic means the force is the same in all directions. Cubing it doesn't show that. You are cubing the force in only one particular direction. There are 3 orthogonal axes. These are x, y and z. You could call them x1, x2 and x3 respectively. Your vectors then consist of the three values [x1 x2 x3]. You then need to know how to manipulate the values to get a meaningful result.I know the physics involved even if my math is not precise , the force is equal in all directions and I can manipulate the force with a variable magnitude .
I think I could just say
If U is energy then multiplying it with force makes no sense either. Force times distance equals work done equals energy. However, force is a vector quantity so it isn't quite so simple.
To be honest it needs no maths , I can add the maths after the experiment .
Place U in an isotropic vice and turn the vice handle UF³
The force is centripetal and isotropic , the
MF³
So you are still posting squiggles.
Post by: guest39538 on 24/04/2019 10:11:05
I have values Mr C but I can't post them or the entire process will be given away . I trust you Mr C , want me to PM them you ?You still have not fixed the problem I pointed out earlier.Isotropic means the force is the same in all directions. Cubing it doesn't show that. You are cubing the force in only one particular direction. There are 3 orthogonal axes. These are x, y and z. You could call them x1, x2 and x3 respectively. Your vectors then consist of the three values [x1 x2 x3]. You then need to know how to manipulate the values to get a meaningful result.I know the physics involved even if my math is not precise , the force is equal in all directions and I can manipulate the force with a variable magnitude .
I think I could just say
If U is energy then multiplying it with force makes no sense either. Force times distance equals work done equals energy. However, force is a vector quantity so it isn't quite so simple.
To be honest it needs no maths , I can add the maths after the experiment .
Place U in an isotropic vice and turn the vice handle UF³
The force is centripetal and isotropic , the
MF³
So you are still posting squiggles.
Post by: guest39538 on 24/04/2019 12:53:11
IQually designed …
Copyright declared .
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/04/2019 19:28:46
The problem isn't the values.I have values Mr C but I can't post them or the entire process will be given away . I trust you Mr C , want me to PM them you ?You still have not fixed the problem I pointed out earlier.Isotropic means the force is the same in all directions. Cubing it doesn't show that. You are cubing the force in only one particular direction. There are 3 orthogonal axes. These are x, y and z. You could call them x1, x2 and x3 respectively. Your vectors then consist of the three values [x1 x2 x3]. You then need to know how to manipulate the values to get a meaningful result.I know the physics involved even if my math is not precise , the force is equal in all directions and I can manipulate the force with a variable magnitude .
I think I could just say
If U is energy then multiplying it with force makes no sense either. Force times distance equals work done equals energy. However, force is a vector quantity so it isn't quite so simple.
To be honest it needs no maths , I can add the maths after the experiment .
Place U in an isotropic vice and turn the vice handle UF³
The force is centripetal and isotropic , the
MF³
So you are still posting squiggles.
The problem is that your equations are still wrong because the dimensions still don't tally.
Come back to us when you have either fixed the problem or can explain in detail why this is wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensional_analysis
(BTW, it's right, so you will need to fix the problem)
Post by: guest39538 on 24/04/2019 19:46:47
(BTW, it's right, so you will need to fix the problem)What problem ? I can make my device with no maths , why do you think I need maths ? The math is just ''show''
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/04/2019 21:03:46
What problem ?The one I keep pointing out.
OK, so, as usual, you are wrong by dimensional analysis.You seem to be trying to use thisM = mass
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bra%E2%80%93ket_notation
and failing.
In any event it would be impossible to say what you mean because, for example, ρ is used for 4 different things in physics and you haven't said which one you mean.
So, what do you think the letters mean?
D=density
V=volume
<=less than
>=greater than
ρ=density
F=force
My math does not fail in explanation Mr C
added - ΔΕ=9.81j/m Δ 944.076141j/m I think it is ..
P.s Both of those results being a dependent variable , the design is a variable design considering safety aspects .
Nobody is going to invest in something which a bright schoolkid could show to be wrong.
But that won't stop you getting a patent.
Post by: guest39538 on 24/04/2019 22:12:26
Well I can't afford a pair of socks let alone a patent , again I repeat I don't need maths to create the design and get the design working. The design uses physics not maths , maths can be made to fit afterwards so no big deal , it will work with or without maths .What problem ?The one I keep pointing out.OK, so, as usual, you are wrong by dimensional analysis.You seem to be trying to use thisM = mass
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bra%E2%80%93ket_notation
and failing.
In any event it would be impossible to say what you mean because, for example, ρ is used for 4 different things in physics and you haven't said which one you mean.
So, what do you think the letters mean?
D=density
V=volume
<=less than
>=greater than
ρ=density
F=force
My math does not fail in explanation Mr C
added - ΔΕ=9.81j/m Δ 944.076141j/m I think it is ..
P.s Both of those results being a dependent variable , the design is a variable design considering safety aspects .
Nobody is going to invest in something which a bright schoolkid could show to be wrong.
But that won't stop you getting a patent.
I'm not sure how efficient the device will be but I know 100% the device will work . This is one of many designs and experiments , I can open up a wormhole if you like ...
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/04/2019 22:16:29
Post by: guest39538 on 24/04/2019 22:24:11
Stop talking dross and accept that you got it wrong. And, because your idea is based on stuff that's wrong, your idea is wrong.NO, I am very right, I know my physics and my notions are based on physics , it is not fantasy .
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/04/2019 22:31:12
I know my physicsIf that was tue you would not have posted this
Because it's impossible for it to be true.
Post by: guest39538 on 24/04/2019 22:38:37
Because it's impossible for it to be true.Actually it's possible because of the physics . The map I provided works .
Anyway , hardly matters , it won't get me personally anywhere , I think we all know that , I guess my ideas and experiments will die with me , never experimented .
Post by: Bored chemist on 25/04/2019 07:20:23
, I think we all know that , I guess my ideas and experiments will die with me , never experimented .Well, yes; they will.
Because the grown-ups know they won't work.
Post by: guest39538 on 25/04/2019 10:01:00
More like they tell you it won't work so they can steal your work because we all know science forums are set up for plagiarism . It will work and when/if I ever get some money spare , I'm going to build one in my kitchen and if it blows me up and whatever up , that's not my problem , obviously it won't work as you claim so nothing to worry about ., I think we all know that , I guess my ideas and experiments will die with me , never experimented .Well, yes; they will.
Because the grown-ups know they won't work.
Bs, all my ideas are workable physics , I know it will work ...
added- I obviously can not experiment at home , wouldn't experiment from home , as I'm not stupid . Am I suppose to explain everything in the thread and tell everyone ?
F³=
MF³
Post by: Bored chemist on 25/04/2019 19:30:40
Bs, all my ideas are workable physics ,Yep.
BS
Post by: Bored chemist on 25/04/2019 19:32:13
That makes no sense.
MF³
You should probably stick to writing things down in words until you learn how to use the symbols properly.