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General Science => General Science => Topic started by: Titanscape on 20/10/2004 10:38:36
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Evolution supports that human nature is dynamic for the survival of the fittest... with orgies and wars favouring the stronger males reproducing... In ancient Greece women would submit to the soldiers that overpowered their husbands thinking that this was better breeding.
However marriage is just between two and involves fidelity, honour, love and commitment. Evolutionary values are cast aside. Or so they try to. This comes Paul's preaching in Greece.
What do you think of this?
Titanscape
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Evolution has resulted in a diversity of reproductive tactics. The fact that a species is reproduced is proof of the success of the method.
The whole point of reproduction is to pass on the genes and ensure they survive long enough to pass them on again and again. Fish, humans and cuckoos all use different methods to acheive the same end.
The method used by fish for example, is laying hundreds of eggs to be fertilised and afterwards abandoning them to fate. If enough are hatched then some will be lucky enough to survive to maturity without being eaten by other creatures.
An alternative way of ensuring your offspring survive is to be there and care for them until they themselves are mature enough to survive on their own.
Both methods are successful and us humans survive with the latter. Mum and dad have to be around to care for the child until maturity.
Marriage is a human way of confirming love and commitment and is present in every society on the planet. Playing away is the rarity and therefore infidelities are the fuel of gossip. Being unfaithful is not exclusive to one sex. There is some evolutionary advantage to this, a good thing for a woman is to have a rich husband and a handsome lover if she can't have the two in one person, good genes and a secure future[:D]
I'm not so sure about wars being good for reproduction, armies of the fittest young men (good breeding stock!) were slaughtered in Flanders (my own great-grandfather included) in the last century.
As for orgies, didn't the participants use some form of contraception?
In your opinion, what would Paul's teaching on fidelity in animals be?
Mike
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As humans (barring my mother-in-law[:)])...physical strength is not the deciding factor when it comes to perpetuating our species...99% of us need no longer compete for a mate and display prowess in the hunt....of course in my case, I do in fact have all these things in abundance anyway[:D]....certainly money helps to perpetuate the species too...
I would say that in humans, the feeling of needing to procreate is almost gone, though I can imagine the wanting to have children may be driven by an inherent desire...........but i mainly think we have children because we want them...i know a few people who are extremely happy and childless...and while, when i'm with my children I know they are the most important thing to me, I can understand how not wanting to have children is acceptable to some.
I believe we(humans) are the exceptions, in all other realms of the the natural world, procreation is far more fundamental as an inbuilt drive and instinctual force, in the flora and fauna and everything else too.
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....err have I just completely missed the point above and waffled on about nothing to do with evolution ?..if so..sorry about that....clearly I must be candidate for the missing link !
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Women should thank us men for being such sex maniacs. It is the male propensity to spread his seed that resulting proliferation of the human race. Sure, medicine, farming, and refrigeration helped, but with less people, the chances of those developing into usefulness are lower.
One could argue as to whether or not survival of the fittest is applicable to us anymore...considering even stupid, sickly, weak people can get a little tail.
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Originally posted by Titanscape
Evolution supports that human nature is dynamic for the survival of the fittest... with orgies and wars favouring the stronger males reproducing... In ancient Greece women would submit to the soldiers that overpowered their husbands thinking that this was better breeding.
What do you think of this?
Titanscape
Evolution has nothing to do with this. you are talking about BREEDING. Show me a human giving birth to a non-human.
You are talking about breeding not evolution.
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Raedon what is it with you and all this NON- stuff.... evolution doesn't happen in leaps and bounds, its a slow process. Can you say that you are exactly the same as your parents??? in this you are a NON-YOURDAD or a NON-YOURMOTHER etc... After a lot of generations of any sort of breeding certain characteristics arise within a species where they can be said to be differeant, favourable or otherwise.
wOw the world spins?
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"In your opinion, what would Paul's teaching on fidelity in animals be?"
They are differently designed. Some pair up, frogs by nature do orgies. But what lowly judgement thay have. Commonsense they are lower forms of life. They are eaten... You aren't called a pig or a dog unless you do something foul or violent.
I think we should be careful of people that accept evolutionary instead of higher judgement values. Like Nazis or eugenicists... I think they ignore traditional values and the idea of the spirit...
Out of interest I point out that LDS when they turn up at the front door with their accents are strong stocky fellows. Really strong. It is because as they travelled across the American wilderness the weaker ones, and alot of them died from exposure and food and water shortages, I think.
Titanscape
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*neil shows ignorance mode*...err...who is Paul ?...is it Paul McCartney ?
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Yes it most definitely is saint Sir Paul of Pennylane. In his writings Rupert 4:15 he speaks of the orgiastic amphibians thus;
Rupert choseth to walk in the hills one day. With his Mother's blessing within his heart he poppeth off for a jolly meander. En route he encounters fellow souls Bill of Badger and Edward of Trunk and Rupert says "joineth me bretheren", but both are just too busy. Once in the hills, Rupert props himself against the trunk of an oak and sucketh in the glory of the countryside - and suddenly he findeth himself enveloped by a glorious rainbow of butterflies. They Swarmeth about him then away yonder toward a rocky outcrop and Rupert can't resist temptation and go with them.
Upon the rocks Rupert finds a collection of the amphibian beast called hopping-frogs. They leadeth him on to a pool and onward again toward a waterfall. Here he discovers a secret cleft behind
the curtain of water that leads to a cavern, and a sign what telleth him:
FROGS ONLY BEYOND THIS POINT
EVERYTHING EXCEPT FROGS MUST BE KEPT ON A LEAD
GUARD FROGS OPERATING
This is the cavern of the Frog Show, and from here on there are a menagerie of froggy folk, families, fireflies, will-o-wisps, orchestral amphibians, ballet dancers, balloonists, even a splendid golden carp - all at it like a collection of steam-hammers upon a lady frog who hath not much say in what goeth on. There be an awful lot of frog-splodge flying around but nobody is hurt and Rupert eventually returns home to his watchful mother full of froggy joy, and wonder...
and they find in their hearts to sing;
dum dum dum,dum dum dum,
Win or lose, sink or swim
One thing is certain we’ll never give in
Side by side, hand in hand
We all stand together
Play the game, fight the fight
But what’s the point on a beautiful night?
Arm in arm, hand in hand
We all stand together
La-
Keeping us warm in the night
La la la la
Walk in the night
You’ll get it right
Repeat
Win or lose, sink or swim
One thing is certain we’ll never give in
Side by side, hand in hand
We all stand together
and they all stood together - although their ranks were thinned by the occasional stork.
A lesson to us all I believe.
Next week we'll discuss St Ringo of the Dingle and the Octopus with a soggy allotment.
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Originally posted by Titanscape
Evolution supports that human nature is dynamic for the survival of the fittest... with orgies and wars favouring the stronger males reproducing... In ancient Greece women would submit to the soldiers that overpowered their husbands thinking that this was better breeding.
However marriage is just between two and involves fidelity, honour, love and commitment. Evolutionary values are cast aside. Or so they try to. This comes Paul's preaching in Greece.
What do you think of this?
Titanscape
I think nothing has changed. In prehistoric times the fittest to survive and mate was somewhat different than today, but the process endures, whether through Greek wars or asteroid collisions. This is not something we can direct, although we would like to flatter ourselves into thinking that our civilizations, technology, or religions will make us stronger than we really are. In the end, the true chaos of the evolutionary process will select those who's genes propagate to the future.
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Originally posted by Corbeille
Yes it most definitely is saint Sir Paul of Pennylane. In his writings Rupert 4:15 he speaks of the orgiastic amphibians thus;
Very good....I understand now...it's Paul The Other One it's got bells on it !
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