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So that we can establish tariffs that reduce our trade deficit with the EU
control migration and immigration
establish a Norwegian-style fishing policy in protected waters
David Cameron's lack of a Plan B
Meanwhile, how do we go about reducing the human population to a climate-resilient level?
The EU was established after ...
Good for business, bad for Britain
] I live here, not there. It's my money, and I'd prefer to spend it on cheaper food and goods from the rest of the world, and on staff recruited on merit, not nationality. Unfortunately all the pro-EU arguments I have ever seen, have been about sentiment. The EU is about business, and there is no room for sentiment in business. If you want sentiment, look back 80 years and ask yourself why the official language of Poland is not German.
As I pointed out before, you don't control immigration or migration by pissing off the folks on the other side of the border.
Do you pay these workers more than you pay yourself?
Do you send your salary out of the UK?
Are you paying more tax because you make more money?[
Are you actually benefiting Britain more by making use of the availability of free movement of labour?
Quote from: alancalverd on Yesterday at 13:13:11Meanwhile, how do we go about reducing the human population to a climate-resilient level? Through international cooperation- which you propose to reduce.
from: alancalverd on Yesterday at 13:13:11Meanwhile, how do we go about reducing the human population to a climate-resilient level?
If john cleese would goose step actoss the european parliamemt i wonder what the reaction would be.
No. The service remains the same, more money leaves the country, and there's a chance that I get a bigger profit share but the net result is a loss to Britain,
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 11/08/2019 11:52:34If john cleese would goose step actoss the european parliamemt i wonder what the reaction would be.Cheers from a substantial and growing minority, alas.
Yes, some money goes outside the UK, but not all of it.
sepratist eurosceptic voters like corbyn are dropping dead at a rate of 1 million per year
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 11/08/2019 18:39:38sepratist eurosceptic voters like corbyn are dropping dead at a rate of 1 million per year In other words the people who voted to join the EU in 1973 have changed their minds. Why?
Sadly, the UK no longer has any manufacturing capability for capital medical equipment
Quote from: alancalverd on 12/08/2019 17:23:15Quote from: Petrochemicals on 11/08/2019 18:39:38sepratist eurosceptic voters like corbyn are dropping dead at a rate of 1 million per year In other words the people who voted to join the EU in 1973 have changed their minds. Why? Because they were lied to.They were, understandably, pissed off wit a government that was increasingly obvious about not caring about them.So, when someone told them "It's all Europe's fault" the voters were inclined to believe them.They swallowed balderdash like " Turkey is joining the EU" and " we can regain our sovereignty (spoiler alert; we never lost it)Quote from: alancalverd on 12/08/2019 08:55:21Sadly, the UK no longer has any manufacturing capability for capital medical equipment Interestingly, the hard Right- who are the major players in the lies about Brexit- are the ones seeking to destroy the NHS as well as manufacturing.Boris and Rees Mogg are not part of any solution to the NHS's problems, nor to those of the UK manufacturing industry.Have you noticed how Brexit is hastening the damage to both?
Give it a few years.
Because they were lied to.
They were, understandably, pissed off wit a government that was increasingly obvious about not caring about them.
So, when someone told them "It's all Europe's fault" the voters were inclined to believe them.
They swallowed balderdash like " Turkey is joining the EU"
" we can regain our sovereignty (spoiler alert; we never lost it)
And nobody believes politicians, whatever they say.
My mind was made up before we joined
the people who voted to join the EU in 1973 have changed their minds. Why?
you have plainly never read an EU Directive, of which 19,000 are now in force
Negotiations for Turkish accession began in 1987 and ran until 2016 - just before the referendum. Fact, not balderdash.
I don't recall anyone blaming the EU for reneging on student fees, cutting local government funding, wasting lives in Iraq and Afghanistan, paying bankers and public service contractors for failure, redisorganising the NHS, or screwing up the benefits system. Indeed HM Govt was very proud if its austerity program, as was the "hard right".
Quote from: alancalverd on Yesterday at 23:55:27And nobody believes politicians, whatever they say.Why do they spend so much time and money saying it?
from: alancalverd on Yesterday at 23:55:27And nobody believes politicians, whatever they say.
That's what article 50 is for.Its whole purpose is to maintain sovereignty.
Quote from: alancalverd on Yesterday at 17:23:15the people who voted to join the EU in 1973 have changed their minds. Why?Try to pay attention to what you say.
from: alancalverd on Yesterday at 17:23:15the people who voted to join the EU in 1973 have changed their minds. Why?
You said that the EU was siphoning teh £ out of the country.
Austerity - and all that goes with it- is based on the idea that the government or the country hasn't enough money.
Surely, after half a century of membership of this benign and benificent trading organisation, bringing wealth and joy to all, UK government coffers must be overflowing with cash?
I have done so, very carefully.
Your argument implies that us old folk have been fed anti-EU propaganda for the last 50 years or so.
It's their time (most of them are not qualified to do anything else) and your money.
Which, inter alia, is why we have invoked it after several attempts to renegotiate various parts of the membership treaties.
In other words the people who voted to join the EU in 1973 have changed their minds. Why?
labour supporting corbynite millenials keep making the point that sepratist eurosceptic voters like corbyn are dropping dead at a rate of 1 million per year
How big that shif might be is not easy to work out. It may well be big enough to swing the 4% majority.That's why we should have another election.
Yes, that 's the way the EU does "democracy".
If you don't like the answer, have another vote.
There is a political equivalent of Hawkeye, called a recount, and it was in every case definitive.
No electoral college gerrymandering or special pressure on marginal seats
Time to accept it and get on with the future.