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Here is something I have not seen discussed.... ORAL health, mine is very bad for many years.... and I always wonder if that might be part of this whole thing?No teeth cleaning for 20+ yrs! I have bad breathe, and my mouth is always pasty....Thoughts?PS.
Hi Guys I have been very busy and not online for a while. But I have NOT been busy with sex! I am actually trying an experiment. I have completely stopped having sex for 2 months now. No "NE" no "O". Nada. My wife is in a phase of her menopause where she could not care less about sex anyway. She would not say no if I wanted to make love but she would not initiate it at this time. So I thought this is a good timing to see what happens if I have no sex. We snuggle and cuddle but no sex. I now realize that I have been in a semi-POIS state for a long time. Even if I get better after 6 to 8 days following an orgasm my mind is not as clear as it should be. After 2 months of complete abstinence I am astonished to see how clear my mind has become. I am creative again, inventive and perceptive. It keeps getting better too. I feel I am slowly recovering from a massive burnout. It will be interesting to see if my "recovery" holds when I start having sex again. For for now, I may choose to go without it for as long as I feel my health is improving. Even for a whole year if necessary. I realize not everyone wants to try this but it feels really good to be myself again. Mostly it shows me how far I had gone. It is making the whole POIS problem even more important. We really do lose a lot in life with this problem. In relationships, at work, with health, with missed opportunities of all kinds. And less enjoyment of life in general. This is a serious issue and it deserves much more attention.PS: I find it easy to avoid NEs simply by decreasing the amount of calories ingested everyday. No excess calories - no NEs. At least for me.
Has this group ever discussed the original incident of their POIS?Like, did anyone's POIS here follow a specific event, like illness or stress, and then take off from there?
Quote from: Mr_Canadian on 24/01/2010 22:56:25Has this group ever discussed the original incident of their POIS?Like, did anyone's POIS here follow a specific event, like illness or stress, and then take off from there?Actually yes, it started during a very stressful, traumatic period in my life.
Hi fellow POIS sufferersWould you all post on whether you were victims of childhood abuse or trauma. I want to explore the possibility that childhood trauma maybe resposible for an adverse reaction to orgasm in later life.( I will post about my 25 years of POIS sometime later )
I was physically abused (not sexual) as a child all the way into my teens. I thought that this may have been responsible for my depression and POIS. Over the years I have formed the opinion that this prolonged affect is caused by 'sticking receptors' within the hypothalamus. When one has an orgasm there are hormonal and neuro-chemical changes within the hypothalamus. For example prolactin goes up and dopamine goes down. These changes in a specific area of the brain are probably responsibe for the post orgasmic fatigue in normal men. In POIS the brain chemistry of the hypothalamus fails to recover as it should. The person continues to feel fatigued and eventually starts to suffer from severe depression.This is a condition that is not even recognized or known by the medical community. Research needs to be done to acknowledge its existance and cause. A protein that helps maintain receptor function within the hypothalamus maybe responsible for this illness.
In my mind theres little doubt that the POIS problem originates at the hypothalamus. A medication that helps better regulate the hypothalamus may provide excellent treatment.What I have written here needs more research.
After full ejaculation or orgasm a signal is sent from the testicles to the hypothalamus for the release of GnRH. The GnRH hormone travels from the hypothalamus to the pituitary and stimulates gonadotropin release. Gonadotropins travel to the testicles and stimulate testosterone production. This system is known as the HPG axis ( hypothalmic-pituitary-gonadal axis ).Maybe in POIS, after ejaculation, rather than the HPG axis, the HPA axis gets activated. The HPA axis ( hypothalmic-pituitary-adrenal axis ) is responsible for releasing stress hormones including cortisol. This would mean that the end result after ejaculation would be more stress rather than more testosterone.Research needs to be done as to why this axis crossover occurs.Do you see how the adrenals are downstream from the true source of the problem, which is the hypothalamus ?
Quote from: Pablo445 on 21/01/2010 17:41:58Hi Guys I have been very busy and not online for a while. But I have NOT been busy with sex! I am actually trying an experiment. I have completely stopped having sex for 2 months now. No "NE" no "O". Nada. My wife is in a phase of her menopause where she could not care less about sex anyway. She would not say no if I wanted to make love but she would not initiate it at this time. So I thought this is a good timing to see what happens if I have no sex. We snuggle and cuddle but no sex. I now realize that I have been in a semi-POIS state for a long time. Even if I get better after 6 to 8 days following an orgasm my mind is not as clear as it should be. After 2 months of complete abstinence I am astonished to see how clear my mind has become. I am creative again, inventive and perceptive. It keeps getting better too. I feel I am slowly recovering from a massive burnout. It will be interesting to see if my "recovery" holds when I start having sex again. For for now, I may choose to go without it for as long as I feel my health is improving. Even for a whole year if necessary. I realize not everyone wants to try this but it feels really good to be myself again. Mostly it shows me how far I had gone. It is making the whole POIS problem even more important. We really do lose a lot in life with this problem. In relationships, at work, with health, with missed opportunities of all kinds. And less enjoyment of life in general. This is a serious issue and it deserves much more attention.PS: I find it easy to avoid NEs simply by decreasing the amount of calories ingested everyday. No excess calories - no NEs. At least for me. Hey Pablo, I went over 6 months with zero "O". Beat that! I felt amazing, normal, functional, creative, energetic, all that good stuff. My first orgasm after that did not give me POIS. However, subsequent orgasms did increasingly give me POIS.
Quote from: POIS-SUFFERER on 21/01/2010 09:04:06Here is something I have not seen discussed.... ORAL health, mine is very bad for many years.... and I always wonder if that might be part of this whole thing?No teeth cleaning for 20+ yrs! I have bad breathe, and my mouth is always pasty....Thoughts?PS.LOL, no teeth cleaning for 20 + years? Yeah I wonder if that has something to do with it too, so I've been never missing a brush because I always wake up with my mouth tasting literally like crap. Just has to do with overall health, and i've noticed that I do have a worse smelling mouth when I do "O". but my oral health has been getting better i suggest you brush twice a day.
Another awkward statement:I'm actually contemplating, I really want this to get over with, I'm just thinking about going to the hospital, telling them to do brain surgery on me, and just get a swab of the "whatever" it is in the back of my head, and rule out any weird disease. Isn't there some procedure where they can do that?? Otherwise we can generally narrow it down to hormones and neurotransmitters. I remember the day I got POIS and it literally felt that something went into my head suddenly, or some sudden shift or neurotransmitters etc.. anybody else experience a sudden first-time POIS?