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Life Sciences => Cells, Microbes & Viruses => Topic started by: blaze on 24/10/2008 04:35:59
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I am referring to something comparable to a gyn exam. Men can carry infections and develop cancer, too.
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I have regular examinations done by a scantily clad nurse who has a surgery in Soho.(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Fwow%2F3.gif&hash=f24b48f7e202adc4ec8fa2b26a0147b2)
Very cheap.
Stone the crows, nearly gave the game away there!!!(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Fmouthzippedshut%2F2.gif&hash=9659f5b28cddab74c96c709deae0d887)
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lol - come on now. I'm half serious here (I think;)
If I have to go to the gynecologist every year and answer personal questions, such as those concerning my sexual activity, from puberty onward, why don't men have to disrobe in front of a doctor of the opposite sex every year and 'confess'?
I actually stopped going to the gynecologist two years ago for this reason.
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Come come now, it's a well known fact that men don't like to go to the doc even when they are actually ill.
I should think it would be a waste of time and money to go through all the admin for very little result.
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lol - come on now. I'm half serious here (I think;)
If I have to go to the gynecologist every year and answer personal questions, such as those concerning my sexual activity, from puberty onward, why don't men have to disrobe in front of a doctor of the opposite sex every year and 'confess'?
I actually stopped going to the gynecologist two years ago for this reason.
You stopped having medical examinations because men don't have to? That's a stupid way to treat your health.
I think it's because it's much more obvious when men have symptoms of infections or cancers, due to our genitalia being more accessible - though I for one would be happy to go for a check up.
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but perhaps this is one reason why the average age of women is a few years longer than men's? In that various illnesses are identified earlier in women than men and can therefore be nipped in the bud, so to speak, before they become rather more aggresive.
Just a thought.....
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A question for the men - if you did go for a check-up, would you prefer to be seen by a male or female doctor?
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I don't buy it that because some of a woman's reproductive organs are located within her body, she 'needs' to see a doctor every year. And what did women do before the invention of the speculum?
Also, I'm not ignoring my sexual health. I just have a new and refreshing attitude.
If it hurts, swells, smells, oozes, or grows things, I'll go to the doctor. Otherwise, my genitals will remain sacred from now on.
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A question for the men - if you did go for a check-up, would you prefer to be seen by a male or female doctor?
I'm quite curious, too.
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I would have no preference. A doc is doc male or female.
I would only feel uncomfortable if a female doc got out a magnifying glass and asked 'Where is it?'
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I would only feel uncomfortable if a female doc got out a magnifying glass and asked 'Where is it?'
haha!
That's my next question - why are men so concerned with size when the female vagina is at best 4 inches long?
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I take it that whoever wrote this isn't aware of prostate exams.
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Bored chemist, yes, I am aware.
Are men encouraged to get prostate exams yearly from puberty onward? Do you get a little postcard in the mail reminding you that 'it's time'?
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No, of course not, it would be stupid.
Since prostate problems are very rare before middle age they only start screeening after that.
Cervical cancer can happen just about any time after puberty so it makes sense to start screnning then.
Did you really need to be told that?
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No, of course not, it would be stupid.
Since prostate problems are very rare before middle age they only start screeening after that.
Cervical cancer can happen just about any time after puberty so it makes sense to start screnning then.
Did you really need to be told that?
What about testicular cancer? Is that rare before middle age?
And you are dead wrong about cervical cancer - read 'The Menopause Industry - How the Medical Establishment Exploits Women' by Sandra Coney.
What women generally develop prior to menopause are 'precancerous' cells, which the body in the vast majority of cases will actually eradicate itself, if only given the opportunity - only most women have been conditioned to believe this is serious, even if it occurs at the age of 20.
Instead, if precancerous cells are found, the woman is subjected to the cost, discomfort, and invasive humiliation of colposcopy and cryosurgery - and the best part is that the HPV behind it was a gift from her male partner, who just continues on until beyond middle age (I know no 'middle-aged' men volunteering for any exams prior to at least the age of 60) infecting other women.
Not to mention the fact that, by middle age, a good number of women are already missing their uterus and/or one or more of their ovaries, simply because our male-dominated medical establishment does not value the woman's body, nor her contribution to society, and fails to realize these women will likely suffer psychological effects from the removal of the very organs she relies on for her sexual identity. She also relies on her ovaries for the production of vital hormones, so if she loses one or both, there go her bones, sex drive, whatever.
A man's reproductive organs would never in a million years be removed unless there was a malignancy involved. Try to argue that one. Good luck.
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By the way, bored chemist, what country do you live in?
You sound just like the type of guy I usually go for - I won't elaborate on that either. And I'm single you know, even though I'm missing a uterus and one ovary.
Look me up if you're ever in Kutztown, PA. You might be just the guy to help me regenerate my missing organs, though I know you'll tell me that isn't possible. You'll see...
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Um, in the UK we're advised to go for cervical screening every 5 years from sometime in our early 20s. None of this every year stuff.
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In the U.S., we're advised to get PAPs every year from puberty onward, especially if we're sexually active. If a woman has an abnormal PAP, she often needs to return for a repeat PAP in 3 months. If it is still abnormal, then she is subjected to a colposcopy, and if precancerous cells are found, it is followed by cryo.
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"What about testicular cancer? Is that rare before middle age?"
It would be odd to expect testicular cancer to be detected by prostate testing. Perhaps if the practitioner didn't, so to speak, know their arse from their elbow.
Health campaigns encourage men to check their testes- this is easy enough- most men know where they are and so on. Pap testing is different from that point of view.
"A man's reproductive organs would never in a million years be removed unless there was a malignancy involved. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castrati
Anyway, the question is largely moot since hysterectomy ovarectomy etc are more often tha not associated with caner anyway.
What really puzzles me is that you live in a country where any breach of "informed consent" would lead to a multi million dollar lawsuit, but you assume that wome are all dumb enough to passivley lie back and let men do this to them.
Are you not doing women a grave disservice there?
Incidentally I'm in the UK and I think it's poossible, but unlikely that you would regenerate some organs. What's likely to make it possible is stem cell therapy and one of the biggest problems with that is God Squadders getting in the way.
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"What about testicular cancer? Is that rare before middle age?"
It would be odd to expect testicular cancer to be detected by prostate testing.
Bored chemist, what I was saying was that I wanted to examine a man's testicles, not his prostrate. Got that?
Actually, I have an even better idea - why don't we just compress? - no, how about 'smash' them between two icy cold steel plates and x-ray them once every year or so after a certain age like we do breasts?
Health campaigns encourage men to check their testes- this is easy enough- most men know where they are and so on. Pap testing is different from that point of view.
Only 'most' men know where their testes are located? Wow - that's pretty scary and might explain a lot of what I've been through. I sure hope you're among those who can? If not, I'm always here to help - so don't be shy.
And are you trying to tell me I don't know where my cervix is? Because trust me, I feel it daily as I'm single - remember? And even though I'm low in testosterone in comparison to any man, I have enough to get by, if you get my drift.
By the way, I know a lot of women who are missing a uterus and one or both of their ovaries (including myself), and none of them had any malignancies. These organs are removed as routinely as wisdom teeth and tonsils as soon as a woman complains of pain, in the U.S. anyway.
And prior to my surgery I was told not to worry - if my hormones dropped, I'd be offered hormone replacement therapy. I think it wasn't even a year later that all the studies came out linking HRT to all sorts of nasty things - I think it had to do with progesterone specifically. And you call that informed consent? Not to mention the complications I suffered following my surgery (anemia). In fact, I seizured during my surgery, but I only found that out when I got my records years later. Maybe it was the fluorescent lights over my body.
And I've no intention of waiting for stem cell research to help me regenerate my missing reproductive organs - with the right 'electricity' (signals), my body will do it itself - for free. If Dr. Robert O. Becker can regenerate bone tissue, then surely some signal at the right time and place will regenerate my missing uterus and ovary.
And were you aware that children (under the age of 11) have an inherent ability to regenerate fingertips as long as the injury occurs above a specific joint? Why do 11 year olds have this ability, yet adults don't? Maybe because they still believe in things like miracles and God.
One last question here, and I hope this isn't too personal - but are you circumcised? Because if you are, I think that identifies you as being somewhat religious, like it or not.
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I have to get the bus shortly but I should just point out that the last point is completely bogus.
"One last question here, and I hope this isn't too personal - but are you circumcised? Because if you are, I think that identifies you as being somewhat religious, like it or not."
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And are you trying to tell me I don't know where my cervix is? Because trust me, I feel it daily as I'm single - remember?
You know I'm surprised nobody on here caught this one. If I had my uterus removed, there's no way I'd be feeling my cervix daily - unless, of course, I've already regenerated it.
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That's no more ridiculous than the stuff about circumcision.
"Maybe because they still believe in things like miracles and God."
I can't rule that out, but it seems more likely to be because children are still growing but adults are not.
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Well then I hope I never grow up, no matter how old I become, because it's children under the age of 11 who still have the ability to regenerate their fingertips when severed, according to Dr. Becker.
By the way, I'll bet you are circumcised, because you never answered. Amen.
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"By the way, I'll bet you are circumcised, because you never answered."
Care for a second guess?
I didn't answer because it cannot possibly be relevant. If I had been it would have been my parents' idea not mine.
Religion is a state of mind; men are often accused of thinking with their genitals but their foreskin isn't usually thought of as being to blame.
I know a bloke who was circumsised relatively late in life after an accident with his fly fastening. (stop sniggering at the back)
I dare say there was quite a lot of "taking the Lord's name in vain" at the time but it wasn't a religious experience- the guty is as strongly atheist as I am.
At best this is a distraction from the topic.
The question has been answered.
Men don't generally go to their doctors unless thery are gravely ill.
The nature of womens bits is that they are less easy to inspect than men's so it makes sense to get someone else to check.
The bottom line is that the healthcare system saves money by testing women in a way that it wouldn't do by testing men.
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Why are you so darn proud to be an atheist anyway?
And the rest of your comment is just plain wrong.
Why do doctor's do breast exams on women then? - certainly we can both see and feel for lumps ourselves. And the female cervix is not any more hidden than the male prostrate is.
And considering I'm 43 and from the age of 18 up until about 2 years ago I went for my annual exam like clockwork - how much money did they (or I) save by doing this? What dreadful disease did getting these yearly exams prevent or correct? Seems to me they wasted a lot of money, though I imagine my gyns made some, and the makers of the PAP test made some, and the labs made some, too. When they got me to take Premarin for my alleged menopause, the pharmaceutical companies got some, too.
And here's where your argument really falls apart. I no longer have a cervix because it was removed along with my uterus. So why do I need to go in every year to have these cervical cells that no longer exist checked for potential malignancies? - especially since vaginal cancer is pretty darn rare? - much less common than that of the prostate.
I think the tone of your response here answers this question...
1) Because men are in control of healthcare and make the rules.
2) Because men are in control of everything financial.
3) Because men are in control of women.
...so maybe because men are in control?
Actually, my next question is going to be - why are most gynecologists male anyway?
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By the way, I don't believe you're not circumcised. Prove it.
This is a science forum, remember?
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"And the rest of your comment is just plain wrong.
Why do doctor's do breast exams on women then? - certainly we can both see and feel for lumps ourselves. "
Beacuse,as I said, it saves money- Women generally know about 2 breasts- their own. Their doctors have a wider range of experience and know what to look out for. Selfe examination is a valuable thing but medical backup still saves lives. Why are you so set against it?
"And the female cervix is not any more hidden than the male prostrate is."
Now you are arguing against yourself. Men do get their prostates checked; why shouldn't women get their cervices checked?
By the way, I don't believe you're not circumcised. Prove it.
How?
I'm quite prepared (as many people here know) to spend time refuting pseudoscience that's so wrong as to be just plain silly, but even I draw the line at the impossible.
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Not true.
Not only are the vast majority of breast lumps found by the woman herself, but a woman's breasts change according to where she is in her cycle. This is why women are being encouraged to examine them monthly on their own (in between their annuals, of course), so that they get to know what they feel like, because not every change is a cause for concern - it may be normal for her.
So unless a woman takes her gyn home with her every night for a 'feel', it's unlikely a doctor will be more familiar with her breasts than she is.
And men don't get their prostate checked annually.