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Just to clarify: I take no other medicines. Only once a day vitamins (Centrum). I am only 20. I have normal Blood Pressure. I am physically active(exercise at least once a day). I don't have any other problems (like diabetes, liver problems, kidney problems, etc.). I do have allergic reactions to wasp stings and seasonal allergies. I don't have any sexual problems besides POIS.An interesting THEORY that I have been thinking about. After taking Relora at least three times I can have an orgasm within a certain time frame (I don't know what is the cutoff time) without side effects. If I do have side effects they are very minor (10% of normal symptoms). But the most interesting thing is that I don't have to continue to take Relora for the POIS side effects to stay away. In order to have another orgasm, yes, I need to take at least one day of Relora. So it seems that the Magnolia officinalis and Phellodendron amurense in Relora prevent (in my body at least and perhaps to some extent in Limejuice's body as well) something from happening that used to happen after orgasm. AND ONCE that "thing" is prevented then all the symptoms disappear or are reduced drastically.
I'm afraid I have to report a major setback with Fenugreek [:-[]. I was okay twice while I've been taking it, with only a few minor problems (as I said in my last post). But the third time around POIS came back in full swing, and work has been hell today. This is disheartening to say the least. I will use up the bottle of Fenugreek pills that I bought and see if this was an exceptional experience, but right now I'm a little skeptical about its effects.
How do you explain your condition to your family and co-workers? For me it would be just too big an embarrassment to tell them the truth ...
tarkington:What you say is true with me too. Yesterday I had the opportunity to conduct another test (as put elliquently by demografx, in the name of science). All day before release I digested a full dose of Relora (the previous day I had none). Today I feel only minimal POIS symptoms - the worst symptoms are gone, which for me are brain fog and communication issues. However, some symptoms still remain such as the ability to relate to someone emotionally or the feeling of extreme excitement. Now the remaining symptoms could be a side effect of the Relora (the Relora has a large impact on my personality - I feel extremely relaxed and mildly tired) but I'll willing to bet it's distorted POIS symptoms.More experiements and time will tell.
I just discussed my own problem about this with my therapist this morning. She said (1) there should be no embarrassment. We didn't ask for this! It's simply a biological problem and if anyone has a problem, they're unbelievably unenleightened and it's THEIR problem, not ours. (2) put into perspective the fact that people really have SERIOUS embarrassments, to which POIS just can't even come close to comparing, for example, think of the embarrassment of a politician who is caught cheating on his wife, destroys his family and severely dissapoints millions of constituents. Does having POIS - an unwanted malady! - even come close?I like that comparison. Let's keep it in mind!
...I also read med publications that link homocysteine with Nitric Oxide. When NO is high homocysteine is low and vice versa. Not sure if it has implications for POIS but just thought I'd mention it in case anyone else has had theirs [homocysteine] measured...
Quote from: demografx on 28/10/2008 19:57:37I just discussed my own problem about this with my therapist this morning. She said (1) there should be no embarrassment. We didn't ask for this! It's simply a biological problem and if anyone has a problem, they're unbelievably unenleightened and it's THEIR problem, not ours. (2) put into perspective the fact that people really have SERIOUS embarrassments, to which POIS just can't even come close to comparing, for example, think of the embarrassment of a politician who is caught cheating on his wife, destroys his family and severely dissapoints millions of constituents. Does having POIS - an unwanted malady! - even come close?I like that comparison. Let's keep it in mind!Having CFS and POIS for 30 years, I am very selective about who I tell what to. If I feel that someoneis an unempathetic type, I have no qualms about withholding the truth or making up an interestingsounding version of it. I've told many such types that I have a long term auto-immune condition or an Natural Killer cell maladaptation problem. That usually shuts them up. On the other hand, if someone feels empathetic, then I'll be willing to be more forthcoming with thereal truth, and they will have the priviledge of knowing it. (Priviledge is the key word for me on this.) No one deserves an explanation about anything as personal as your health, unless they feel deserving of it.
Quote from: tarkington on 28/10/2008 18:31:55Just to clarify: I take no other medicines. Only once a day vitamins (Centrum). I am only 20. I have normal Blood Pressure. I am physically active(exercise at least once a day). I don't have any other problems (like diabetes, liver problems, kidney problems, etc.). I do have allergic reactions to wasp stings and seasonal allergies. I don't have any sexual problems besides POIS.An interesting THEORY that I have been thinking about. After taking Relora at least three times I can have an orgasm within a certain time frame (I don't know what is the cutoff time) without side effects. If I do have side effects they are very minor (10% of normal symptoms). But the most interesting thing is that I don't have to continue to take Relora for the POIS side effects to stay away. In order to have another orgasm, yes, I need to take at least one day of Relora. So it seems that the Magnolia officinalis and Phellodendron amurense in Relora prevent (in my body at least and perhaps to some extent in Limejuice's body as well) something from happening that used to happen after orgasm. AND ONCE that "thing" is prevented then all the symptoms disappear or are reduced drastically. The "something" that Relora prevents from happening with you most likely has to do with preventingan aggravated cortisol spike after orgasm, because that is what Relora is supposed to do--lowercortisol.This to me is more evidence of the endocrine issue with POIS. The fact that oxytocin has a relationshipto the HPA axis (Hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal) of endocrine events, points back to this as well.
You're right, girlwind, there is a risk in disclosing to certain people. The one I discussed above was an old friend and we renewed our acquaintance recently.
Wow, this cortisol peak does make sense. I am taking herbs to increase kidney yang (TCM; corresponds somehow with cortisol I was told), but in the 2 days following orgasm I don't need them physically, and then for a few days days after that I need much of it, my body just keeps asking. It's just like at first cortisol is in overdrive and then depleted.Anyway I am preparing full conclusive blood tests, so I'll post them when it's done. I am trying to get before the event, 5 minutes after the event (AE), and 2 more sometime AE.