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Quote from: Jolly2We need more not less discussion.This sounds like the attitude of a:Quote from: Zer0Conspiracy Theory Troll who posts Absolute Crap without even a miniscule amount of Evidence
Quite the opposite, discussion allows conspiracies to be proven or disproven. If a suggestion is complete nonsense a discussion can show that.
Trolls generally don't start discussions they generally seek to destroy them
Conspiracy theories, by their very nature, cannot be disproved.
It's always possible for the theorist to invoke excuses (including new conspiracies) to explain away either a lack evidence for their theory (such as, "I can't show the evidence beause it's being suppressed")
or the presence of evidence against it (such as, "you can't trust that source because it's disinformation to promote their agenda").
This is just an idea - it may well be a load of rubbish but there may be something in it.
There are lots of viruses coexisting with us in our bodies. Many seem harmless others beneficial eg they produce useful proteins. All of them, along with the nasty ones have to contend with an immune system trying to eliminate them. There are numerous strategies that they use.
I'll just look at one, which the literature tells us is one of the ones CoV2 uses. A human cell invaded by a virus presents viral proteins on it's surface to attract the attention of white blood cells to its plight. CoV2 codes for a protein which hitches a ride into the nucleus where it downgrades the protein presenting response.
The immune system does encounter the viral proteins after virus particles leave an infected celland from viral proeins secreted from infected cells or released when viral numbers rupture infected cells, so it can fight and eliminate the infection, which is what hapens with most people. But for some, the immune system goes a step further. It's fighting the virus but it can't find infected cells - because they aren't presenting viral proteins on their surface. So cytokines are released to up-regulate the protein presenting mechanism. This is when the trouble starts. Because, among the peacefully cohabiting proteins, there will be plenty which use the same tactic as CoV2 to stay safe. Suddenly their proteins are being presented on cell surfaces and the immune system thinks cells all over the body are under attack by viruses, and the cytokine storm kicks off. What looks like the immune system attacking its own cells in multiple organs is more precisely the immune system attacking some of cells hosting benign viruses.
That's just a likely example, a similar line of reasoning could be used for other anti-immune mechanisms employed by CoV2 such as suppressing interferon production or preventing apoptosis.
Are we engaging in "eugenics" during the present Covid-19 pandemic.
If this pandemic was allowed to run its natural course, what would happen?
Everyone catches the virus. Then people with "weak" genes , which make them naturally more susceptible to the virus, die.
Whereas people with "strong" genes, which make them naturally more resistant to the virus, live.
That's how it it would happen in a strictly Darwinian world. People with naturally "strong" genes survive. People with "weak" genes, die. This is called "Natural Selection"
However we are defying "Natural Selection" by inventing "vaccines". These artificial products of human ingenuity enable even people with "weak" genes to survive the pandemic.
Is that "Eugenics", or a kind of "Counter-Eugenics"? I can't make it out - can anyone advise?
One memorable morning in the last century I had breakfast in St Bartholomew's Hospital staff restaurant, with an American x-ray sales rep.
Leathery eggs swimming in grease, bacon cut from the uppers of an army boot, 20mm black armor-piercing sausages, postmortem hypostatic tomatoes, cold rubber toast with frozen butter, and lukewarm bilge in a coffee cup.
At the checkout my colleague asked "How can you f**k up an English breakfast?"
"800 years of practice, sir" was the smiling reply.
Considering that a bunch of amateurs have made a fortune from share trading on "Gamestop" shares via Internet forums, is it revealed that the reptile conspiracy of the upper classes perpetuation has always been facilitated via opportunity that only they had access to up until now?
Have the rich been funding themselves by ripping off the poor for centuries that they only had access too, and is it over now?
Manipulation of a belief system at high layers can make otherwise normal person to commit immoral actions. Similar thing happened in the mind of many terrorists.There are enough instances from psychological experiments and the recruitment of concentration camp torturers to suggest that all that is required to do things that are obviously immoral is the appearance of authority or permission.
yet the scientific truth and religious truthreligion has truth?
2 pages effectively that discuss the creation of the world2 pages that are are not entirely accuratehow we should live? how should we treat others? What is the nature of evil or sin?well, i guess so. but if we based our moral choices on what is written in the bible well we would be acting as though they did in the spanish inquisition. id rather live my life actually by moral code rather than the moral(immoral) code of the bible
The bible is concerned with human interaction, peace, justice, life.as above
While science can say how things are it will never tell you how to live save some dietary suggestions.
Again meaningless in this regardwell, i guess if one just uses the bible as a kind of moral storybook like the boy that cried wolf or 3 little pigs, then yes this is meaningless.
but so many people try to claim that the bible is so much more. some even make the claim that its accurate in some kind of real life sense.
Not at all, I highly recommend you listen to some of the lectures on the psychological significance of the biblical stories given by Jorden Petersonpretty much as above
Again this a highly simplistic view of religion and faith.care to enlighten on a more realistic view then?And never will it because as I suggested before that is not what the bible is interested in.true there are many parts that are stories of past events. there are historical things throughout it. and from all these stories we are supposed to derive some meaning to our lives.
but what about when the stories are just plain wrong. what meaning do we derive from that? the story, or the wrongness?
Sadly the position you hold is one many people do, a very condescending one that is also based more in ignorance then understanding.please elaborateThe Noah story is the story where mankind becomes corrupt so God sends a flood. And there is a link drawn in this story to corruption and floods.from a viewpoint of a moral wise story for humans to learn from (just like the boy that cried wolf) i agree with this.
When new Orleans was flooded a few years back it happened because corrupt politicians for decades had stopped spending money on Levy defenses.
but many people believe this actually happened.
why wouldn't theyjust like above, if one uses its stories in the same way they use little red riding hood then i see merit it that.
but to use it as a whole as some kind of 'encyclopedia' for all of lifes challenges is misleading and serves no purpose.
Yes.. I have read multiple views and yesterday I read that it's been rolled out that it could have been a human created virus but instead they believe it may have been around kinda dormant in humans for Avery long time and that at some point long ago it was initially in a animal..like bat snake etc...but that at some point it was transferred into humans who may have already harbored a differentiate..and for whatever reason became actively a deadly virus now apparently..but my memory may have some of that mixed up..but have you all heard that yet?