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1. On recorded history from the sea about scurvy incidence, there is no rational ground to accept theory about cause and prevention of the scurvy 2. There is no rational ground to accept theory about cause and prevention of the scurvy based on Lind’s trial.3. There is no rational ground to accept theory that guinea pig is not able to synthesize the vitamin C. I presented strong evidence that support my theory. On the other side on this topic no one present any evidence that contradict to my theory.
Guinea pig and quack-theoryThe facts about experiment on which is based theory that guinea pigs cant synthesise vitamin C.QuoteIn 1902, Axel Holst, a Norwegian professor of bacteriology and hygiene who had been concerned at the appearance of what had been diagnosed as beriberi in the crews of Norwegian sailing ships, seized an opportunity to visit Grijns in Batavia and to see his work on chicken polyneuritis. On his return to Oslo, he attempted to obtain a closer model of "ship-beriberi" by using a mammal as his experimental species, and chose guinea pigs. He fed them grains, either whole or milled, and found that they all died within 30 d. When the carcasses were opened he saw "pronounced hemorrhages" and looseness of the molar teeth. Theodor Frölich, a pediatrician with experience of infantile scurvy, confirmed that the condition appeared to be scurvy with no evidence of any kind of polyneuritis. The two men then found that the condition was not produced by semistarvation, and that it was prevented by giving two traditional antiscorbutics, lemon juice and fresh cabbagehttp://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/133/4/975Before any discusion is usefull to remind of some facts about guinea pigs.QuoteGrass is the guinea pig's natural diet.Guinea pigs tend to be fickle eaters when it comes to fresh fruits and vegetables, having learned early in life what is and is not appropriate to consume, and their habits are difficult to change after maturity.[They do not respond well to sudden changes in diet; they may stop eating and starve rather than accepting new food typesA constant supply of hay or other food is generally recommended, as guinea pigs feed continuously and may develop habits such as chewing on their own hair if food is not presentGuinea pigs are prey animals whose survival instinct is to mask pain and signs of illness, and many times health problems may not be apparent until a condition is severe or in its advanced stages. Treatment of disease is made more difficult by the extreme sensitivity guinea pigs have to most antibiotics, including penicillin, which kill off the intestinal flora and quickly bring on episodes of diarrhea and deathhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_pigsTaking in account that grass is guinea pigs natural diet and that grains, either whole or milled isnt, shows that feeding the guinea pigs with grains either whole or milled is actually exposing them to starvations to the some extent and in the same time to the some extent of slow poisoning (semi starvation combined with slow poisoning),They didnt prevent death of guinea pigs by giving them lemon juice by continuing to feed them with grain, either whole or milled.They didnt prevent death or reverse condition induced by feeding guinea pigs with the grain by continuing the feeding with grain and cabbage because the guinea pig will ignore the grains, either whole or milled and will eat only cabbage because cabbage is guinea pigs natural diet and grain, whole or milled is not.. They prevented (condition) guinea pigs from death by giving them, lemon juice and fresh cabbage.Taking in account that guinea pigs do not respond well to sudden changes in diet; they may stop eating and starve rather than accepting new food types it is questions how Axel Holst convinced guinea pig to eat grain at all. It is like convince lions to eat broccoli and lemons. Lion natural diet is meat and if you fed them with broccoli and lemon the lions surly will develop scurvy if he doesnt die before.This experiment on which is founded theory that gunea pigs cant syntetise vitamin C can be simply described as; with metod of slow poisioning and semi starvation by guinea pig is induced condition that is treated by discontinuing the starvation and slow poisioning and repleaced with natural diet (cabbage) and aded a drop of snake oil (lemon juice). Healing and remedial property of the lemon juice and citrus in general the humans discovered long time age only in this case the lemons juice is used as snake oil.Luka Tunjichttp://www.biomechanicsandhealth.com/
In 1902, Axel Holst, a Norwegian professor of bacteriology and hygiene who had been concerned at the appearance of what had been diagnosed as beriberi in the crews of Norwegian sailing ships, seized an opportunity to visit Grijns in Batavia and to see his work on chicken polyneuritis. On his return to Oslo, he attempted to obtain a closer model of "ship-beriberi" by using a mammal as his experimental species, and chose guinea pigs. He fed them grains, either whole or milled, and found that they all died within 30 d. When the carcasses were opened he saw "pronounced hemorrhages" and looseness of the molar teeth. Theodor Frölich, a pediatrician with experience of infantile scurvy, confirmed that the condition appeared to be scurvy with no evidence of any kind of polyneuritis. The two men then found that the condition was not produced by semistarvation, and that it was prevented by giving two traditional antiscorbutics, lemon juice and fresh cabbagehttp://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/133/4/975
Grass is the guinea pig's natural diet.Guinea pigs tend to be fickle eaters when it comes to fresh fruits and vegetables, having learned early in life what is and is not appropriate to consume, and their habits are difficult to change after maturity.[They do not respond well to sudden changes in diet; they may stop eating and starve rather than accepting new food typesA constant supply of hay or other food is generally recommended, as guinea pigs feed continuously and may develop habits such as chewing on their own hair if food is not presentGuinea pigs are prey animals whose survival instinct is to mask pain and signs of illness, and many times health problems may not be apparent until a condition is severe or in its advanced stages. Treatment of disease is made more difficult by the extreme sensitivity guinea pigs have to most antibiotics, including penicillin, which kill off the intestinal flora and quickly bring on episodes of diarrhea and deathhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_pigs
Do you actually have any valid points to make, or are you just spouting the same nonsense repeatedly?
In 1492 Hammocks were first introduced to Europe by Christopher Columbus when he brought many hammocks back to Spain from islands in the present day Bahamas.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammock
Around 1590, hammocks were adopted for use in sailing ships; the Royal Navyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammock
The English sea captain Sir Richard Hawkins stated in 1622 that "In 20 years, since that I have used the sea, I dare take upon me to give accompt of 10,000 men consumed with scurvy" emphasizing the magnitude of the problem.http://www.ltdk.helsinki.fi/users/hemila/history/
More background on the story shows that mainly the poor sailors got scurvy and the officers did not........ http://waltonfeed.com/self/health/vit-min/c.html
So, we wait over a year and you come back. You fail to answer the questions asked and you say this"The first recorded outbreaks of scurvy happened in the year of 1497 (Vasco Da Gama’s first voyage). "
My guess is the GBSB is trying to use this as a springboard for his weird ideas and website.He has already been told many times that the biological role of ascorbic acid is well documented.Reality doesn't seem to trouble him much. Nor does the fact that propper science requires him to answer questions.
Didn’t find any walid argument against my hypotesis but pleanty rude words.There is no point to future discusion. You keep your belif ebaut Vitamin C. As wel as you can belive that vitamin C will prevent or even cure baldnes.
Didnt find any walid argument against my hypotesis but pleanty rude words.
Guinea pig and quack-theoryThe facts about experiment on which is based theory that guinea pigs can’t synthesise vitamin C.QuoteIn 1902, Axel Holst, a Norwegian professor of bacteriology and hygiene who had been concerned at the appearance of what had been diagnosed as beriberi in the crews of Norwegian sailing ships, seized an opportunity to visit Grijns in Batavia and to see his work on chicken polyneuritis. On his return to Oslo, he attempted to obtain a closer model of "ship-beriberi" by using a mammal as his experimental species, and chose guinea pigs. He fed them grains, either whole or milled, and found that they all died within 30 d. When the carcasses were opened he saw "pronounced hemorrhages" and looseness of the molar teeth. Theodor Frölich, a pediatrician with experience of infantile scurvy, confirmed that the condition appeared to be scurvy with no evidence of any kind of polyneuritis. The two men then found that the condition was not produced by semistarvation, and that it was prevented by giving two traditional antiscorbutics, lemon juice and fresh cabbagehttp://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/133/4/975Before any discusion is usefull to remind of some facts about guinea pigs.QuoteGrass is the guinea pig's natural diet.Guinea pigs tend to be fickle eaters when it comes to fresh fruits and vegetables, having learned early in life what is and is not appropriate to consume, and their habits are difficult to change after maturity.[They do not respond well to sudden changes in diet; they may stop eating and starve rather than accepting new food typesA constant supply of hay or other food is generally recommended, as guinea pigs feed continuously and may develop habits such as chewing on their own hair if food is not presentGuinea pigs are prey animals whose survival instinct is to mask pain and signs of illness, and many times health problems may not be apparent until a condition is severe or in its advanced stages. Treatment of disease is made more difficult by the extreme sensitivity guinea pigs have to most antibiotics, including penicillin, which kill off the intestinal flora and quickly bring on episodes of diarrhea and deathhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_pigsTaking in account that grass is guinea pigs natural diet and that grains, either whole or milled isn’t, shows that feeding the guinea pigs with grains either whole or milled is actually exposing them to starvations to the some extent and in the same time to the some extent of slow poisoning (semi starvation combined with slow poisoning),They didn’t prevent death of guinea pigs by giving them lemon juice by continuing to feed them with grain, either whole or milled.They didn’t prevent death or reverse condition induced by feeding guinea pigs with the grain by continuing the feeding with grain and cabbage because the guinea pig will ignore the grains, either whole or milled and will eat only cabbage because cabbage is guinea pigs natural diet and grain, whole or milled is not.. They prevented (condition) guinea pigs from death by giving them, lemon juice and fresh cabbage.Taking in account that guinea pigs “do not respond well to sudden changes in diet; they may stop eating and starve rather than accepting new food types” it is questions how Axel Holst convinced guinea pig to eat grain at all. It is like convince lions to eat broccoli and lemons. Lion natural diet is meat and if you fed them with broccoli and lemon the lions surly will develop scurvy if he doesn’t die before.This experiment on which is founded theory that gunea pigs can’t syntetise vitamin C can be simply described as; with metod of slow poisioning and semi starvation by guinea pig is induced condition that is treated by discontinuing the starvation and slow poisioning and repleaced with natural diet (cabbage) and aded a drop of snake oil (lemon juice). Healing and remedial property of the lemon juice and citrus in general the humans discovered long time age only in this case the lemons juice is used as snake oil.Luka Tunjichttp://www.biomechanicsandhealth.com/