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...Yet it is possible that actually the planet is about to or has started to under go a long period of global cooling.
"It's so hot in Australia that they've had to use purple on their weather maps"
So we have seen in the news recently that scientist have been faking the tempreture data make it look like the planet was getting hotter. Yet it is possible that actually the planet is about to or has started to under go a long period of global cooling. If all true- could this have been an Malthusian agenda to prevent the populations of the earth from preparing? NASA Scientist John L. Casey Warns of the Coming Cold Crisis 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQanWtkSDHEhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html "The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever"
Science advances by scepticism and revolution, not consensus.
When people "adjust" other people's data to fit their hypotheses, it may be called fraud, deception, politics, propaganda....anything except science. One day, anthropogenic global warming may be cast onto the same intellectual midden as caloric, aether and phlogiston. Meanwhile, if it is going to survive even the teensiest test of scientific plausibility, it will have to start making some accurate predictions and stop fiddling with the facts.
But even before that, someone is going to have to define global mean temperature and explain how it is and will be measured, by an absolutely consistent method.
Failing that, I will have to publish my groundbreaking and politically convenient hypothesis. Hair loss causes ageing. There is a clear correlation between male pattern baldness and age. This has been demonstrated with masses of (adjusted) historic data and the consensus is 110%. Cutting hair reduces the amount on your head. This is known as anthropogenic hair loss and is clearly responsible for premature death. We must take action now. I propose a barber tax.
Quote from: Jolly on 08/02/2017 21:49:19So we have seen in the news recently that scientist have been faking the tempreture data make it look like the planet was getting hotter. Yet it is possible that actually the planet is about to or has started to under go a long period of global cooling. If all true- could this have been an Malthusian agenda to prevent the populations of the earth from preparing? NASA Scientist John L. Casey Warns of the Coming Cold Crisis 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQanWtkSDHEhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html "The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever"It doesn't make any sense to assume that one bloke (especially writing to the Torygraph) is right and all the other scientists are wrong.
So why are you even asking the question?
Quote from: Jolly on 08/02/2017 21:49:19...Yet it is possible that actually the planet is about to or has started to under go a long period of global cooling. Try telling that to the Aussies ...Quote"It's so hot in Australia that they've had to use purple on their weather maps"
The independent- really? It´s like the most Fake news newspaper I know of.
Well it´s not one bloke writing for a news paper against every other scientist thats a consenus lie- there are Scientists that do not agree.Nobel Laureate Smashes the Global Warming Hoax //www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0 Global Warming Debunked | William Happer and Stefan Molyneux //www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCU6bzRypZ4Maunder Minimum:Earth heading for 'mini ice age' in 2030, scientists warns //www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMuvaEpdaqQQuote from: Bored chemist on 09/02/2017 19:45:31So why are you even asking the question?I am asking the question becuase if Global warming is a farse and scientists have been faking the data- yet a mini Ice age is on the way, surely we have been acting incorrectly in preporation for that, circumstance. So its a question about wether that has been done on purpose, if we come into a mini Ice age crops are going to fail. Currently the main stream are panicing about Warming, when its possible the planet is going in the other direction- So I ponder and ask if people think that might be a conspiracy- there has clearly been an conspiracy about Warming, I just ponder if it´s a bigger conspiracy then simply people looking for funds.
Quote from: Jolly on 10/02/2017 00:09:55Well it´s not one bloke writing for a news paper against every other scientist thats a consenus lie- there are Scientists that do not agree.Nobel Laureate Smashes the Global Warming Hoax https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0 Global Warming Debunked | William Happer and Stefan Molyneux https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCU6bzRypZ4Maunder Minimum:Earth heading for 'mini ice age' in 2030, scientists warns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMuvaEpdaqQQuote from: Bored chemist on 09/02/2017 19:45:31So why are you even asking the question?I am asking the question becuase if Global warming is a farse and scientists have been faking the data- yet a mini Ice age is on the way, surely we have been acting incorrectly in preporation for that, circumstance. So its a question about wether that has been done on purpose, if we come into a mini Ice age crops are going to fail. Currently the main stream are panicing about Warming, when its possible the planet is going in the other direction- So I ponder and ask if people think that might be a conspiracy- there has clearly been an conspiracy about Warming, I just ponder if it´s a bigger conspiracy then simply people looking for funds. "Well it´s not one bloke writing for a news paper against every other scientist thats a consenus lie- there are Scientists that do not agree."No, it seems that it's 3 blokesOn the other hand, something like 97 % of scientists are on the other side
Well it´s not one bloke writing for a news paper against every other scientist thats a consenus lie- there are Scientists that do not agree.Nobel Laureate Smashes the Global Warming Hoax https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0 Global Warming Debunked | William Happer and Stefan Molyneux https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCU6bzRypZ4Maunder Minimum:Earth heading for 'mini ice age' in 2030, scientists warns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMuvaEpdaqQQuote from: Bored chemist on 09/02/2017 19:45:31So why are you even asking the question?I am asking the question becuase if Global warming is a farse and scientists have been faking the data- yet a mini Ice age is on the way, surely we have been acting incorrectly in preporation for that, circumstance. So its a question about wether that has been done on purpose, if we come into a mini Ice age crops are going to fail. Currently the main stream are panicing about Warming, when its possible the planet is going in the other direction- So I ponder and ask if people think that might be a conspiracy- there has clearly been an conspiracy about Warming, I just ponder if it´s a bigger conspiracy then simply people looking for funds.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/jun/23/97-global-warming-consensus-paper-surpasses-half-a-million-downloads
"I am asking the question becuase if Global warming is a farse"There's no evidence for that. "and scientists have been faking the data-"There's no evidence for that.
" yet a mini Ice age is on the way, surely we have been acting incorrectly in preporation for that, circumstance. "http://greenmonk.net/2010/01/07/what-if-we-create-a-better-world-for-nothing/
Time was that 100% of scientists believed in a geocentric universe, and you could be burned at the stake for thinking otherwise. Within my lifetime the consensus has swung from an impending ice age to an impending thermal runaway. Beware of consensus: it is at best naive and frequently shortsighted.
So wow 97% of scientist apparetly believe in global warming- I debate if that is a true statement- sounds more like consenus propoganda to me- too little skepticism- For science.
Nobody has any idea what 97% of scientists believe.
Quite a few are regular churchgoers and the like, so their beliefs are not necessarily based on evidence anyway. But it is clear that over 90% of "climate scientsts" need you to believe in AGW, or their funding will cease.Nothing new here. A previous Archbishop of York said he didn't necessarily believe in god, at least not in the same way as his flock. Now there's an appropriate word.In fact it was a previous co-chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change who made me a skeptic by opening his lecture on the first IPCC report with "I am a committed christian..." Anyone who says he knows the answer before studying the question is not to be trusted, and that is exactly what CO2-based climate change modellers do. Later in the same lecture he admitted "we know that water is the most important parameter, but as we can't measure it, we have ignored it - see the footnote on page 21" so I'll give him a point for honesty.
Quote from: Jolly on 11/02/2017 00:42:52So wow 97% of scientist apparetly believe in global warming- I debate if that is a true statement- sounds more like consenus propoganda to me- too little skepticism- For science. You doubt it- in spite of the fact that it is well documentedly supported by evidence.https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htmOKSo you are not dong science.If you are not doing science you are on the wrong web page- we can simply ignore everything you say.
Authors of seven climate consensus studies — including Naomi Oreskes, Peter Doran, William Anderegg, Bart Verheggen, Ed Maibach, J. Stuart Carlton, and John Cook — co-authored a paper that should settle this question once and for all. The two key conclusions from the paper are: 1) Depending on exactly how you measure the expert consensus, it’s somewhere between 90% and 100% that agree humans are responsible for climate change, with most of our studies finding 97% consensus among publishing climate scientists. 2) The greater the climate expertise among those surveyed, the higher the consensus on human-caused global warming.
To my simple mind an expert is someone who can look at the data and make a prediction that turns out to be more accurate than a guess. So far, none seem to have published in this field.