[alancalverd]

You can define it any way you like, but every definition that involves the conventional meaning of "universal" leads to a concept of something that doesn't and can't exist..

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

You can define it any way you like, but every definition that involves the conventional meaning of "universal" leads to a concept of something that doesn't and can't exist..

What do you think about universal gravity?
Universal basic income?
Universal serial bus?

[alancalverd]

All can, do, or appear to exist, and do not contradict the meaning of "universal" within their own universe.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

All can, do, or appear to exist, and do not contradict the meaning of "universal" within their own universe.

What do you think is the conventional meaning of universal?
Why do you think that it leads to a concept of something that doesn't and can't exist?

[alancalverd]

Universal: applying (equally) to everything within the (defined) universe.

In your case you have defined the universe as "conscious entities". This either means every living thing, in which case the essential element of competition means that your moral code cannot be be applied equally to all, or you are alluding to some Uberwesen  whose existence has not been demonstrated and the satisfaction of which would be abhorrent to all living things.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Universal: applying (equally) to everything within the (defined) universe.

In your case you have defined the universe as "conscious entities". This either means every living thing, in which case the essential element of competition means that your moral code cannot be be applied equally to all, or you are alluding to some Uberwesen  whose existence has not been demonstrated and the satisfaction of which would be abhorrent to all living things.

It seems like you are confusing between rules and standards. Rules are meant to be practical, while standards are meant to be consistent.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Don't lie and don't kill are rules, which are supposed to apply for most situations. Standards tell in which situations those rules should or shouldn't be followed.
Bee queens, workers, and drones, all have different rules according to their own roles. But they have the same standards, defending the continued existence of the hive.
Babies, kids, adults, follow different sets of rules in the society. But those rules come from the same standard.

[alancalverd]

Rules are meant to be practical, while standards are meant to be consistent.

If rules aren't consistent, they are unjust. If standards aren't practical, they are abandoned.

[alancalverd]

Don't lie and don't kill are rules, which are supposed to apply for most situations.

Unless you are an animal. Every animal has to kill something to eat.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Don't lie and don't kill are rules, which are supposed to apply for most situations.

Unless you are an animal. Every animal has to kill something to eat.

Bees, panda and koala can eat without killing the trees.
On the other hand, by not killing some elks, Forrest ecosystem can collapse.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Rules are meant to be practical, while standards are meant to be consistent.

If rules aren't consistent, they are unjust. If standards aren't practical, they are abandoned.

The practicality and consistency are not mutually exclusive. Rules and standards need them both, but with different priority.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

People say altruism is selfish. They?re not wrong

About the video: ?If we didn't find helping other people pleasurable, we wouldn?t be altruistic.?

One of the reasons that many people argue that there is no such thing as ?true altruism,? that people are never purely motivated to help other people for their own sake, is because, paradoxically, altruism is a source of enormous joy for those who help others.

Those who have made significant sacrifices for the benefit of others, such as donating a kidney, will attest to this. They?ll often say that it was one of the best decisions they made and would make it over and over if possible because of how happy it made them to help out the recipient. With this in mind, it?s easy to assume that nothing is ever truly altruistic because of the pleasure doing good can evoke.

Neuroscientist Abigail Marsh says that this perspective can be a bit puritanical. Marsh says that actually, the best part of altruism is the sense of joy it brings, because these feelings encourage people to engage with it more often. Here?s why that principal actually underscores altruism, instead of contradicting it.

.Morality is determined by consequences and intended consequences.
An action isn't usually called selfish unless it causes harm to someone else while only benefitting oneself.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

254. Charity & Effective Altruism

There are 1.5 million non-profit organizations in the US. Effective Altruists try to direct people towards the good ones, but many don?t agree with their picks - maybe the problem is bigger than ?picking a good charity.?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Is it Eugenics to Breed for Intelligence?

Screening embryos for diseases and other traits is becoming increasingly common. Some companies even claim that they can calculate your intelligence score from a genetic analysis. But how much do we really know about the genetic root of intelligence?

[alancalverd]

people are never purely motivated to help other people for their own sake, is because, paradoxically, altruism is a source of enormous joy for those who help others.

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

Where's the pleasure? Certainly not during nor after the sacrifice.

[alancalverd]

Is it Eugenics to Breed for Intelligence?

No. Every member of every species that reproduces sexually, chooses a mate that is likely to give him/her immediate advantage and/or produce the best offspring. That's just the basis of evolution.

Eugenics is where somebody else decides what the outcome should be. Hence selective breeding of domestic animals and plants.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

people are never purely motivated to help other people for their own sake, is because, paradoxically, altruism is a source of enormous joy for those who help others.

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

Where's the pleasure? Certainly not during nor after the sacrifice.

The things being sacrificed are not limited to one's own life.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Oxford Dictionary says that eugenics is the study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable.

While Wikipedia says that debate as to what exactly counts as eugenics continues today.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Eugenics is where somebody else decides what the outcome should be.

On the flip side,
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65429936.amp
Sperm donor who fathered 550 children ordered to stop

A Dutch man suspected of fathering more than 550 children worldwide through sperm donations has been ordered to stop.

The man named Jonathan, aged 41, could be fined more than ?100,000 (?88,000) if he tries to donate again.

He was banned from donating to fertility clinics in the Netherlands in 2017 after it emerged he had fathered more than 100 children.

But instead of stopping he carried on donating sperm abroad and online.

A court in The Hague has told him to provide a list of all the clinics he had used and to order them to destroy his sperm.

Has the court committed eugenics?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

You Don't Know What a Warcrime Actually Is (Or maybe you do idk man)

Rules are meant to be practical and easy to follow.