Why does Mass/Energy Distort Spacetime?

talanum1 · « **on:** 18/10/2022 12:15:58 »

In my model it is because mass is space points compactified on a circle. Then it is no mystery, since space attracts space. So energy must also be space points compactified on a circle.

Bored chemist · « **Reply #1 on:** 18/10/2022 18:20:50 »

The trouble is that things like

Quote from: talanum1 on 18/10/2022 12:15:58

because mass is space points compactified on a circle.

don't actually mean anything.

talanum1 · « **Reply #2 on:** 19/10/2022 10:23:14 »

It does mean something. You got your skeptical glasses on.

Imagine a circle. Then imagine space points sitting compactly where the circle's line should be.

Origin · « **Reply #3 on:** 19/10/2022 13:17:43 »

Quote from: talanum1 on 19/10/2022 10:23:14

It does mean something.

No this just something you made up that has no basis in reality

talanum1 · « **Reply #4 on:** 19/10/2022 14:03:51 »

Imagine a circle. Then imagine space points sitting compactly where the circle's line should be.

Origin · « **Reply #5 on:** 19/10/2022 14:24:40 »

Quote from: talanum1 on 19/10/2022 14:03:51

Imagine a circle. Then imagine space points sitting compactly where the circle's line should be.

Imagine talanum1 discussing science.

talanum1 · « **Reply #6 on:** 20/10/2022 13:22:19 »

Quote from: Origin on 19/10/2022 13:17:43

that has no basis in reality

It has a basis in reality: it gives an explanation for the physical phenomenon of warping spacetime.

Quote from: Origin on 19/10/2022 14:24:40

Imagine talanum1 discussing science.

It is science: you come up with a better explanation. And if you can't you have to accept mine. Your own explanation should be in terms of something physically concrete, and what else is there?

It gives a concrete object instead of the vague concept: mass/energy.

Origin · « **Reply #7 on:** 20/10/2022 14:12:01 »

Quote from: talanum1 on 20/10/2022 13:22:19

It is science: you come up with a better explanation. And if you can't you have to accept mine.

Ha ha, that is so absurd it's funny. I don't know why mass warps space, your made up silliness is certainly not the reason.

Kryptid · « **Reply #8 on:** 20/10/2022 17:42:43 »

Quote from: talanum1 on 20/10/2022 13:22:19

It is science: you come up with a better explanation. And if you can't you have to accept mine.

That's not how that works. Evidence is needed in order for an explanation to be accepted.

Bored chemist · « **Reply #9 on:** 20/10/2022 18:04:56 »

Quote from: talanum1 on 19/10/2022 14:03:51

imagine space points

For as long as you have been posting here, you have talked about these; but you have never properly defined them.
So you might as well be talking about unicorns.

Colin2B · « **Reply #10 on:** 20/10/2022 22:17:03 »

Quote from: talanum1 on 20/10/2022 13:22:19

It is science: you come up with a better explanation. And if you can't you have to accept mine.

Not so.
You have to show that your idea makes predictions that are correct, as determined by experiment, and which are not predicted by any other theory.

Quote from: talanum1 on 20/10/2022 13:22:19

It gives a concrete object instead of the vague concept: mass/energy.

Mass and energy are not vague concepts.
If a lorry hits you at 30mph its mass and hence kinetic energy will do you serious damage. Nothing vague about that.

talanum1 · « **Reply #11 on:** 21/10/2022 09:37:09 »

Quote from: Colin2B on 20/10/2022 22:17:03

If a lorry hits you at 30mph its mass and hence kinetic energy will do you serious damage.

Then you define it by its affects. You can't pull that definition back to mass/energy itself. In itself it is vague.

talanum1 · « **Reply #12 on:** 21/10/2022 09:49:43 »

Quote from: Origin on 20/10/2022 14:12:01

your made up silliness is certainly not the reason.

What is it then. There aren't any other entities to postulate.

talanum1 · « **Reply #13 on:** 21/10/2022 09:54:01 »

Quote from: Bored chemist on 20/10/2022 18:04:56

but you have never properly defined them

Space points can be defined as numbers (a distance away from a reference point). The reference point can be specified by a description, for example: the corner of the room.

Space points can rather be defined as whatever the numbers point to.

Bored chemist · « **Reply #14 on:** 21/10/2022 11:32:44 »

Quote from: talanum1 on 21/10/2022 09:54:01

Space points can be defined as numbers

Quote from: talanum1 on 18/10/2022 12:15:58

So energy must also be space points compactified on a circle.

Do you think "So energy must also be numbers compactified on a circle." makes any sense?

alancalverd · « **Reply #15 on:** 21/10/2022 12:24:09 »

Experimentally, mass attracts mass.

We model this mathematically as mass distorting a notional spacetime continuum.

Never confuse a mathematical model with an observation - this can lead to all sorts of delusions, including the unscientific use of the word "why". Physics is about "how". Sociology is about "why".

talanum1 · « **Reply #16 on:** 21/10/2022 13:07:00 »

Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/10/2022 11:32:44

Do you think "So energy must also be numbers compactified on a circle." makes any sense?

I defined space points better as whatever the numbers point to. This must have a life on its own, since if you compactify it on a circle the numbers that pointed to the space points are no longer the same.

talanum1 · « **Reply #17 on:** 21/10/2022 14:02:42 »

I see these rings in the sky, coupled to each other: energy. They react to being observed and when I lose sight of them they jump back to where I saw them first.

Bored chemist · « **Reply #18 on:** 21/10/2022 15:09:19 »

Quote from: talanum1 on 21/10/2022 14:02:42

I see these rings in the sky

Does anyone else?
Can you think of a reason for that?

paul cotter · « **Reply #19 on:** 21/10/2022 15:53:55 »

Hallucinations?

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