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Title: Why DOE?
Post by: Make it Lady on 23/08/2010 20:59:59
Why do Americans refer to people with no identity as John Doe or Jane Doe. I understand the John/Jane bit but why DOE?
Title: Why DOE?
Post by: LeeE on 23/08/2010 21:35:02
Have a read of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Doe#Origin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Doe#Origin)
Title: Why DOE?
Post by: JimBob on 23/08/2010 23:22:27
D'OE!

Bart did you do that?? - Homer Simpson
Title: Why DOE?
Post by: Make it Lady on 24/08/2010 20:46:43
Have a read of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Doe#Origin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Doe#Origin)
This doesn't really say why DOE was chosen. Maybe it was a common name back then?!
Title: Why DOE?
Post by: LeeE on 25/08/2010 11:30:57
The article mentions that other names were also used, but these seem to have subsequently fallen out of use.  My best guess for the name 'Doe' being retained, in preference to the others,  is just because it comes before the others in the alphabet.
Title: Why DOE?
Post by: Don_1 on 25/08/2010 11:51:33
John Doe was the name given to a hypothetical land owner and Richard Doe the name of his hypothetical tenant in a legal paper dating from the reign of Edward III in the 14th C.

The actual name John Doe has no relevance to the hypothetical case in question, which became quite famous in it's day.

I have often wondered if the name 'Doe' now has some relevance to the fact that this name is invariably used in the case of an unidentified corpse, hence it could be an acronym. John or Jane used to identify the gender while Doe could be Dead On Examination.

If this is not the case, then to my mind, it should be and I hereby lay claim to this conception.
Title: Why DOE?
Post by: demografx on 26/08/2010 03:25:16


Why do Americans refer to people with no identity as John Doe or Jane Doe. I understand the John/Jane bit but why DOE?


Shhh, Make it Lady, it's a Department Of Energy secret! Classified!


Title: Why DOE?
Post by: Mazurka on 26/08/2010 14:07:59


Why do Americans refer to people with no identity as John Doe or Jane Doe. I understand the John/Jane bit but why DOE?


Shhh, Make it Lady, it's a Department Of Energy secret! Classified!



And I thought it was Department Of Environment...
Title: Why DOE?
Post by: Make it Lady on 26/08/2010 22:40:14
John Doe was the name given to a hypothetical land owner and Richard Doe the name of his hypothetical tenant in a legal paper dating from the reign of Edward III in the 14th C.

The actual name John Doe has no relevance to the hypothetical case in question, which became quite famous in it's day.

I have often wondered if the name 'Doe' now has some relevance to the fact that this name is invariably used in the case of an unidentified corpse, hence it could be an acronym. John or Jane used to identify the gender while Doe could be Dead On Examination.

If this is not the case, then to my mind, it should be and I hereby lay claim to this conception.
Then it should be DOA which is commonly used as dead on arrival.
Title: Why DOE?
Post by: Carolyn on 30/08/2010 05:05:53
Why do Americans refer to people with no identity as John Doe or Jane Doe. I understand the John/Jane bit but why DOE?

What do the British call them?

I have a stalker on another site that calls herself Jane Doe....of course, thats not what I call her.
Title: Why DOE?
Post by: Don_1 on 30/08/2010 12:34:28
What do the British call them?


Stiffs.
Title: Why DOE?
Post by: Geezer on 30/08/2010 17:36:24
What do the British call them?


Stiffs.

As in;

"He's a little stiff from Rugby."
Title: Why DOE?
Post by: Make it Lady on 31/08/2010 17:47:08
Joe Bloggs or John Smith. Not sure about the women.
Title: Why DOE?
Post by: Geezer on 31/08/2010 19:29:45
What happened to Joe Soap?
Title: Why DOE?
Post by: Make it Lady on 31/08/2010 20:36:24
He slipped out of usage.