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General Science => General Science => Topic started by: Emilio Romero on 16/06/2009 15:40:21
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Is it true that the more intelligent a dog is, the harder it will be to train?
Thanks
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I think I could easily believe that.
If the dog has improved intellect then it may not be so easily receptive to command.
It could well be that the less intelligent a thing is..The easier it is to program !
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So, all the dogs we see on the TV are the dumb cousins [:o)].... and the cool smart relatives are those watching them and laughing at them... [:D]
By the way... can we say the same about all animals?
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It doesn't mean (if it is true) that a more intelligent dog is impossible to train though.It still is capable of being trained but may take more time.
This is all speculation of course because I'm just guessing...We need a passing dog trainer to pop in and answer !!
If it is true..I see no reason why the same should not be applied to other animals......non sentient ones in this case. I don't think this applies to humans !!
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Stupid dogs are ruff.
Intelligent dogs such as the German Shepherd and Border Collie are more receptive to training because they is kleverer...... I fink!
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I can believe that too !!..in fact I do !
I believe everything !
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This should turn into a poll [;D]
Then why conventional wisdom says cats cannot be trained?
Domestic meow-meow cats (because tigers and lions can)
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I just found this:
"There are some dogs that are simply easier to train than others. While there are some who may argue breed plays a large role in determining whether or not a particular dog will be easy to train, there are others who believe temperament is much more important in determining which dogs will be easiest to train. In general a dog with a submissive temperament and a will to please should be rather simple to train while a more dominant dog with less of a will to please may be more difficult to train. Intelligence also plays a role in how easy it will be train a dog. However, a more accurate indication of how easy it will be to train a particular dog relies on a combination of both intelligence and temperament. This article will explore both intelligence and temperament in terms of how they relate to training a dog."
so... where are we?
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I just found this:
"There are some dogs that are simply easier to train than others. While there are some who may argue breed plays a large role in determining whether or not a particular dog will be easy to train, there are others who believe temperament is much more important in determining which dogs will be easiest to train. In general a dog with a submissive temperament and a will to please should be rather simple to train while a more dominant dog with less of a will to please may be more difficult to train. Intelligence also plays a role in how easy it will be train a dog. However, a more accurate indication of how easy it will be to train a particular dog relies on a combination of both intelligence and temperament. This article will explore both intelligence and temperament in terms of how they relate to training a dog."
so... where are we?
It's inconclusive when discussing the intelligence !...Is it assuming that the reader presumes that the more intelligent the easier they are to train ?
And have I used the words ' assume' and ' presume' correctly ? (cos those two always confuse me)
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This should turn into a poll [;D]
Then why conventional wisdom says cats cannot be trained?
Domestic meow-meow cats (because tigers and lions can)
I have seen house cats that have been trained, though, in my case, our two cats have our entire family well trained !!
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Don..is it possible to train a tortoise ?..playing ' fetch' would take years !! :-)
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Believe it or not sheepy, they do come when called for food and make their own way to bed at night. Not quite potty trained though!!!
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STAY!!!
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now that's a smart dog...
or not...
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Easy to train: Intelligent and submissive dog
Harder to train: Intelligent and dominant dog
Even harder to train: Dumb and submissive dog
Really hard to train: Dumb and dominant dog.
Similar to people I would say. Although people have to learn different tricks.
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I see myself as a bit of a dog wisperer.
Its really the owners you need to train. Most of my dogs never needed to wear collars, apart from basic training with a choke chain.
When you put a dog on a choke chain you only need to tug it a couple of times and the dog will get the message. If the dog pulls on the lead when walking, tug it hard and the dog will look surprised as it hurt. If it pulls again, tug hard again and then you will probably be able to get the dog to walk to heel without a lead from then on. I hate to see people being dragged around by their dogs, it could be fixed in a minute.
You need a good strong 'no' when ever the dog does something wrong (and timing so the dog relates the incident with doing wrong).
If the dog wants to please you, then you can get them to do anything.
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Bad dogs and bad children. It's nearly always because of the owners / parents.
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http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=23767.msg259396#msg259396
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Imagine someone is trying to teach their dog something, but the dog isn't doing what's expected.
There seem to be at least 3 posibilities.
The dog is too dumb to learn
The dog is too smart to learn
The owner is too dumb to teach.
How can you tell which is which?
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Imagine someone is trying to teach their dog something, but the dog isn't doing what's expected.
There seem to be at least 3 posibilities.
The dog is too dumb to learn
The dog is too smart to learn
The owner is too dumb to teach.
How can you tell which is which?
The problem in any teaching seems to be the "doing what's expected". The student may do what he/she/it thinks is expected. If it is in sync with what the teacher wants learning is declared to have happened. I teach a unit the involves programming LEGO robots. I tell my kids that unlike a person, the robot will do EXACTLY what you tell it to do but it may not do what you want it to do. It takes them a while to understand the difference. It is about communication and that is just really hard between dogs and humans. Dogs may be too smart to even do exactly what you tell them to do. Add this to not being able to communicate in one language and you have something hard to do.
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if every time the dog scratches the door we flip and run to let it out (because we don't want the mess on the living room carpet)... could that be considered as "human-training" or a conditioning of our behaviour according to the dog's actions?
Do you think the dog sees it that way?
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I'd just call that mutual co operation.