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Title: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: MichaelMD on 17/03/2021 15:12:55
An ether gravity-model. -Units of the ether inside two gravitationally-attracted bodies, which are at a higher energy level than in the ether in space, :"leak" into the space between the bodies, through "gaps" between the relatively-much-larger quantum units on the outside surfaces of the solid bodies. The ether making up the space between the two bodies normally is un-energized, and vibrates quietly, in a random fashion. This influx of  vibratory, energized, ether units into the space between the bodies aligns the normally-"quieter" ether units there, so that they entrain with each other, and form larger units, quantizing the space between the bodies. This process simultaneously contracts the ether, which is no longer vibrating randomly, and is now combining into larger quantum units. This contraction of the ether draws the two bodies toward each other.
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: Kryptid on 17/03/2021 16:13:14
An ether gravity-model. -Units of the ether inside two gravitationally-attracted bodies, which are at a higher energy level than in the ether in space, :"leak" into the space between the bodies, through "gaps" between the relatively-much-larger quantum units on the outside surfaces of the solid bodies. The ether making up the space between the two bodies normally is un-energized, and vibrates quietly, in a random fashion. This influx of  vibratory, energized, ether units into the space between the bodies aligns the normally-"quieter" ether units there, so that they entrain with each other, and form larger units, quantizing the space between the bodies. This process simultaneously contracts the ether, which is no longer vibrating randomly, and is now combining into larger quantum units. This contraction of the ether draws the two bodies toward each other.

Please start your own thread about this instead of trying to hijack someone else's thread.
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: MichaelMD on 21/03/2021 15:16:11
To continue my last Post (in spite of Kryptid), the explanation given for gravity can be extended to show that gravity is the same basic process as magnetism. -The different strengths between the two (magnetic attraction being much stronger than gravity's pull) can be accounted for, using the same kind of example as for gravity. -In a case of  the attraction between two bodies being magnetic, magnetism's much stronger pull would be coming from a closer similarity, of the pattern of the emerging energized ether vibrations of one body, to the other's vibratory pattern of  ether units coming from the surface of the other body. -If the bodies being attracted toward each other have the same type of vibratory pattern, their interactivity, in the space between the bodies, will be stronger, so that the process going on in this space, causing partial quantization of the space, as ether units come together and combine in the space. The ether in the space will contract much more strongly, in the case of magnetism between two similar bodies, compared to two bodies that have dissimilar ether vibratory patterns in the radiations going into the space between them.

The overall model of Ether I use here for magnetism and gravity can be seen at my own Thread "Is this how quantum waveforms are formed by underlying ether?" elsewhere on this Page.
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: Kryptid on 21/03/2021 16:41:50
Since you've failed to comply, I've split your posts into their own thread. Please keep your model confined to this thread and don't invade pasala's thread with it again,
Title: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: MichaelMD on 06/04/2021 17:20:20
To elaborate more thoroughly on how my ether model treats magnetism and gravity.

In magnetism, when two separated, physically similar, "poles" exist, it sets up a resonance in the ether between them (somewhat similar to the way the ether conducts transmissions between similar quantum units in quantum entanglement.) This causes transmissions of etheric forces, with their concomitant "etheroidal" or sub-quantum ether units plus still-larger quantum units, from the stronger pole (containing similar quantum material) toward the weaker one. -This flow of energy occurs both through the solid "core" material between the poles, and through the space outside that lies between the poles. (The ether exists both inside the solid "core" and in the space outside.)

The reason we see stronger manifestations in transmissions through the solid core material, in electromagnetism, than through the space outside, is because the solid material contains much more quantum, and near-quantum-etheric units, than does the space outside. -This provides much greater manifestations of the forces involved, such mas, in electromagnetism, a greater degree of electrical charges. -Solid material has much more quantum and sub quantum energy than does space, where the ether is energically "quieter," with ether units vibrating quietly and randomly, rather than in an aligned, more energically charged, manner.

The reason we don't see "charged' manifestations in gravity, compared the magnetism, is because in gravity, the solid bodies involved are separated by such vast distances, and also because magnetism, as described in my last posts, involves a greater degree of similarity of the vibrational ether forces involved.

Title: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: jeffreyH on 06/04/2021 22:47:45
You certainly like to type. Have you ever tried reading even a basic science book? Is that just too difficult and time consuming? More time consuming than spending time typing nonsense?

For once, I'd like to see someone stop trolling and actually ask a legitimate question. The floor is yours ...
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: MichaelMD on 07/04/2021 08:21:22
You certainly like to type. Have you ever tried reading even a basic science book? Is that just too difficult and time consuming? More time consuming than spending time typing nonsense?

For once, I'd like to see someone stop trolling and actually ask a legitimate question. The floor is yours ...

I wasn't sure how you meant a couple remarks in your reply. You said I "certainly like to type..." Does that refer to the fact my Post had several careless typos? -Also, regarding your reference to "legitimate questions," and my Post on gravity vs. magnetism, I would be only too happy to address questions, if viewers would ask any.
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: jeffreyH on 07/04/2021 18:26:52
You certainly like to type. Have you ever tried reading even a basic science book? Is that just too difficult and time consuming? More time consuming than spending time typing nonsense?

For once, I'd like to see someone stop trolling and actually ask a legitimate question. The floor is yours ...

I wasn't sure how you meant a couple remarks in your reply. You said I "certainly like to type..." Does that refer to the fact my Post had several careless typos? -Also, regarding your reference to "legitimate questions," and my Post on gravity vs. magnetism, I would be only too happy to address questions, if viewers would ask any.

I rest my case ...
Title: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: MichaelMD on 08/04/2021 01:27:53
Although there are no questions to reply to, I might mention that in my Ether Model, the ways cosmic magnetism could work would be more complex than I described, for how magnetic fields behave, in space that neighbors an ordinary earthly electromagnetic system. above, in my posts on "gravity vs. magnetism."

For example, the way my Model would address how magnetic fields would behave in the region near a new star, where planets could be formed, would differ from how it would address planetary magnetic fields (which would not have as intense a field as a new star), theoretic issues become more complex. A new star, or Nova, would have extremely intense energic forces radiating outward into space. Its equatorial plane, where planets could be formed, would contain highly energized materials, including various chemical elements, in the form of random debris, such as iron, nickel, and so on. How the extreme intensity of a newly formed star would play out, in terms of its magnetic field, and how the ether would play into it, is difficult to speculate on, except to say that the etheric forces in the space around the new star would probably not follow a simple "from one pole to opposite pole" pattern, as in the case of a simple earthly electrical transmission.-One possibility would be that the intense energies in the new star's equatorial plane, where new planets would be formed, would act upon the spatial ether in the region, to first quantize it, and that then, magnetic forces would take over, drawing in various elements as "stardust" - first iron, due to its unique type of magnetism, ferromagnetism, along with nickel, which could accompany the iron (as found in planetary cores, which are predominantly composed of iron and nickel) possibly because of an atomic affinity between iron and nickel, so this is how the nucleus of a new planetary core might be formed.

Another factor involved here would be how the star's rotation would also influence the behavior of the ether in the region. 

This kind of speculative theory could be extended further, but for the purposes of this Thread, that is probably as far as it should go.
Title: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: MichaelMD on 09/04/2021 15:27:49
To continue my last post, discussing planets and gravity, a little further, it is interesting to look at how cosmologists presently view the internal make-ups of various planets, and how that conceivably could relate to an alternative theory of physics like ether-theory.

Cosmology, in applying quantum physics to the formation of the various planets, states that the reason for the "otherwise puzzling" very-low density and heavy gravity of planets like Uranus and Neptune "has to be due to internal gases," referring to those planets as "the gas giants." According to Cosmology, all the planets originally formed mainly from "swirling gas clouds."

In my ether model, I claim that physics is currently missing the existence, and key role, of a universal ether in cosmic events such as this. I would submit that the extremely low gravity of the outer giant planets is not due to any buildup of internal gases, but rather, due to a relatively high internal ether component, compared to the much-heavier gravity of Earth (when adjusted for the differences in planet sizes.) I believe Earth has, comparatively, a very-low internal ether component, and that this could well have resulted from some cosmic event(s), now unappreciated, in a past cosmic age. -Immanuel Velikovsky described just such a cosmic event affecting Earth in his famous 1950 book "Worlds in Collision." A similar event conceivably could have stripped away Earth's ether, without similarly affecting other planets, in a past cosmic age.
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: MichaelMD on 09/04/2021 15:34:48
To correct an error in the second paragraph of my last post, it should have read "low gravity of planets like Uranus and Neptune," not "heavy" gravity.
Title: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: jeffreyH on 09/04/2021 16:13:34
To continue my last post, discussing planets and gravity, a little further, it is interesting to look at how cosmologists presently view the internal make-ups of various planets, and how that conceivably could relate to an alternative theory of physics like ether-theory.

Cosmology, in applying quantum physics to the formation of the various planets, states that the reason for the "otherwise puzzling" very-low density and heavy gravity of planets like Uranus and Neptune "has to be due to internal gases," referring to those planets as "the gas giants." According to Cosmology, all the planets originally formed mainly from "swirling gas clouds."

In my ether model, I claim that physics is currently missing the existence, and key role, of a universal ether in cosmic events such as this. I would submit that the extremely low gravity of the outer giant planets is not due to any buildup of internal gases, but rather, due to a relatively high internal ether component, compared to the much-heavier gravity of Earth (when adjusted for the differences in planet sizes.) I believe Earth has, comparatively, a very-low internal ether component, and that this could well have resulted from some cosmic event(s), now unappreciated, in a past cosmic age. -Immanuel Velikovsky described just such a cosmic event affecting Earth in his famous 1950 book "Worlds in Collision." A similar event conceivably could have stripped away Earth's ether, without similarly affecting other planets, in a past cosmic age.

Or it could be something to do with mass. Just a thought for you. In case you had missed the blindingly obvious.
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: evan_au on 10/04/2021 06:06:25
Quote from: MichaelMD
gravity is the same basic process as magnetism
How about addressing why gravity and magnetism can be so different, if they express the same basic process?
- Gravity only ever seems to be attractive, while magnetism can be both attractive and repulsive?
- Gravity is always seen as a "monopole", while magnetism always appears as pairs of "North" and "South"?
- The force of Gravity follows an inverse-square law, while magnetic fields decay much more quickly with distance - something like an inverse cube law?
- You can have small things with an intense magnetic field (think of the strong magnets you can get at the hardware store), and yet some large things with almost no magnetism (like the Moon)?
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: Origin on 10/04/2021 14:17:02
I would submit that the extremely low gravity of the outer giant planets is not due to any buildup of internal gases, but rather, due to a relatively high internal ether component, compared to the much-heavier gravity of Earth (when adjusted for the differences in planet sizes.)
What do you mean by extremely low gravity?
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: MichaelMD on 10/04/2021 16:31:57
To continue my last post, discussing planets and gravity, a little further, it is interesting to look at how cosmologists presently view the internal make-ups of various planets, and how that conceivably could relate to an alternative theory of physics like ether-theory.

Cosmology, in applying quantum physics to the formation of the various planets, states that the reason for the "otherwise puzzling" very-low density and heavy gravity of planets like Uranus and Neptune "has to be due to internal gases," referring to those planets as "the gas giants." According to Cosmology, all the planets originally formed mainly from "swirling gas clouds."

In my ether model, I claim that physics is currently missing the existence, and key role, of a universal ether in cosmic events such as this. I would submit that the extremely low gravity of the outer giant planets is not due to any buildup of internal gases, but rather, due to a relatively high internal ether component, compared to the much-heavier gravity of Earth (when adjusted for the differences in planet sizes.) I believe Earth has, comparatively, a very-low internal ether component, and that this could well have resulted from some cosmic event(s), now unappreciated, in a past cosmic age. -Immanuel Velikovsky described just such a cosmic event affecting Earth in his famous 1950 book "Worlds in Collision." A similar event conceivably could have stripped away Earth's ether, without similarly affecting other planets, in a past cosmic age.

Or it could be something to do with mass. Just a thought for you. In case you had missed the blindingly obvious.

As an ether theorist, I now am regretting having ventured into this area of astrophysics. I wish I could retract all the material in my post on "gas giant planets" and how their make-up could relate to gravity. I was recalling a TV documentary from a few years ago, on which the scientists unqualifiedly referred to the large outer planets as"gas giants." Reviewing the latest ideas in the literature now, I see that they now believe these giant planets would be more accurately called "ice" giants.

Again, I should not have tried to venture into an area of cosmology I was insufficiently familiar with.
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: MichaelMD on 10/04/2021 17:27:03
Quote from: MichaelMD
gravity is the same basic process as magnetism
How about addressing why gravity and magnetism can be so different, if they express the same basic process?
- Gravity only ever seems to be attractive, while magnetism can be both attractive and repulsive?
- Gravity is always seen as a "monopole", while magnetism always appears as pairs of "North" and "South"?
- The force of Gravity follows an inverse-square law, while magnetic fields decay much more quickly with distance - something like an inverse cube law?
- You can have small things with an intense magnetic field (think of the strong magnets you can get at the hardware store), and yet some large things with almost no magnetism (like the Moon)?

 Your refer to highly-theoretic concepts in quantum physics (repulsive magnetism and "gravity as a monopole") as if they were solidly proven concepts. However, my ether model would not accept that magnetism can be repulsive or that gravity acts through any monopolar mechanism, so I can't directly address your post.

To try to show how our two points of view (quantum theory, which rejects the ether, and my ether theory) can't be discussed in such a way  - for example, physicists, in trying to draw comparisons to show the possibility of the existence of repulsive magnetism, have cited how "matter and antimatter strongly repel each other." However, in my ether model, this observation does not offer a full insight into how matter and antimatter came to be connected with each other. In my model, particles and antiparticles originated when our universe was created (by projecting quantum electrons toward a "virgin" ether region, which set off a self-sustaining "chain reaction" in the ether, in which larger and larger  "particle"-units - in my model, they are not true "particles" but rather are made up of ether units - were formed, up to the size-scale of atoms.) As part of the creational process, antiparticles were shunted away from interfering with these newly-formed quantum particles, by directing the antiparticles toward black holes -"out of the way.". Black holes are an area of discussion in itself, but in my model, black holes have antimatter at their cores, while what we refer to as their their "horizons" are actually displays of the interaction of underlying antimatter with ordinary matter toward the surface, which we observe as more or less familiar forms of energic radiation.

     
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: Kryptid on 10/04/2021 17:39:07
However, my ether model would not accept that magnetism can be repulsive

Have you ever tried to hold the north poles of two different magnets together?

physicists, in trying to draw comparisons to show the possibility of the existence of repulsive magnetism, have cited how "matter and antimatter strongly repel each other."

What physicist ever said that? Matter and antimatter do not strongly repel each other.

As part of the creational process, antiparticles were shunted away from interfering with these newly-formed quantum particles, by directing the antiparticles toward black holes

What mechanism would preferentially put antimatter into black holes while avoiding doing the same to nearby matter?
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: Origin on 10/04/2021 17:45:06
Again, I should not have tried to venture into an area of cosmology I was insufficiently familiar with.
No problem, let's just move on.
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: Origin on 10/04/2021 17:51:20
However, my ether model would not accept that magnetism can be repulsive
Sorry to say, but I just pushed the north ends of 2 magnets together and there was a repulsive force, so your model has been falsified.  I'm afraid it is 'back to the drawing board' for you, so to speak.
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: MichaelMD on 11/04/2021 16:07:11
However, my ether model would not accept that magnetism can be repulsive

Have you ever tried to hold the north poles of two different magnets together?

physicists, in trying to draw comparisons to show the possibility of the existence of repulsive magnetism, have cited how "matter and antimatter strongly repel each other."

What physicist ever said that? Matter and antimatter do not strongly repel each other.

As part of the creational process, antiparticles were shunted away from interfering with these newly-formed quantum particles, by directing the antiparticles toward black holes

What mechanism would preferentially put antimatter into black holes while avoiding doing the same to nearby matter?

To your first question, I would say that your holding the north poles of different magnets near each other doesn't prove anything about the nature of magnetism., Magnetism, in my model, is exemplified by the way two "opposing" poles influence their surroundings - according to my model, by effects on the ether in the region.

Secondly, I could cite references in physics literature speculating, or hypothesizing, about how matter "may repel" antimatter. (I do not myself hold that view, but rather hold to the more commonly-held view that antimatter and matter are mutually annihilative). -One of the references on the theory of repulsion would be an article in National Geographic, Feb 16, 2012, titled "Is Dark Energy Really Repulsive Gravity?" in which the author said "a powerful repulsion between normal matter and hidden pockets of antimatter could explain dark energy."
Here, I could go into how my ether/cosmic model,views physics's "dark energy," but probably should not, in this Thread..

The third question, as to how antimatter could be directed toward a black hole, while matter would not also be affected: -I admit I don't know how an otherworldly (Creator-mediated) energy-manipulation would work. I do believe that such an entity, if deeply immersed in, or bathed in, etheric energy, could be able to mentally-project different quantum-scale forces in a selective way. Again, I can't explain exactly how it's done. But the same kind of manipulation would have had to occur if the universe-creation process I proposed in an above post (in which electrons, the smallest and speediest quantum units) were projected into an ether region, to set off patterned chain reactions in the ether, which  produced larger and larger energy units, at first "etheroidal," and then, on up to the size scale of quantum units and atoms, as the vibrations of ether units aligned, due to the effect of the motion of the electrons, causing the ether units to entrain with each other. (One other effect this would have had, in this creation-model, would be that since the electron/photon was used to create the universe, its velocity (the speed of light) would have remained the highest speed limit in the universe.)
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: Origin on 11/04/2021 16:44:04
To your first question, I would say that your holding the north poles of different magnets near each other doesn't prove anything about the nature of magnetism.
Then you would be wrong.  The repulsive force between 2 north poles is a fundamental demonstration of the electromagnetic theory.
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: MichaelMD on 11/04/2021 17:29:15
To your first question, I would say that your holding the north poles of different magnets near each other doesn't prove anything about the nature of magnetism.
Then you would be wrong.  The repulsive force between 2 north poles is a fundamental demonstration of the electromagnetic theory.

Your statement about what underlies how different north poles interact is based on the consensus models of magnetism of quantum physics, which does not accept even the existence of an underlying ether. Such an ether is the key to, and underpins, quantum forces, in my model of magnetism. Since my Model is based on the ether, a fundamental theoretic disconnect prevents us from a meaningful debate on this point.
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: Kryptid on 11/04/2021 17:38:23
To your first question, I would say that your holding the north poles of different magnets near each other doesn't prove anything about the nature of magnetism.

Of course it does. Why would it not?

Magnetism, in my model, is exemplified by the way two "opposing" poles influence their surroundings - according to my model, by effects on the ether in the region.

If the net result of that isn't a repulsion between like poles, then it's wrong.

Secondly, I could cite references in physics literature speculating, or hypothesizing, about how matter "may repel" antimatter. (I do not myself hold that view, but rather hold to the more commonly-held view that antimatter and matter are mutually annihilative). -One of the references on the theory of repulsion would be an article in National Geographic, Feb 16, 2012, titled "Is Dark Energy Really Repulsive Gravity?" in which the author said "a powerful repulsion between normal matter and hidden pockets of antimatter could explain dark energy."
Here, I could go into how my ether/cosmic model,views physics's "dark energy," but probably should not, in this Thread..

I've seen the suggestion that antimatter may gravitationally repel normal matter, but that would cause serious problems. It would violate the equivalence principle and would also violate conservation of energy (because you could use it to build a perpetual motion machine).

The third question, as to how antimatter could be directed toward a black hole, while matter would not also be affected: -I admit I don't know how an otherworldly (Creator-mediated) energy-manipulation would work.

So why propose that such a thing happened at all?
Title: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: puppypower on 12/04/2021 12:00:07
The electron has been shown to be a single particle composed of negative charge and mass. This was done in particle collider experiments. As a single particle entity, the electron would be an example of the unification of mass and negative charge, and therefore the unification of gravity and the negative side of the EM force. Based on this unification of force, one might expect a range of possible states, of this unified force, with some appearing more like the EM force, and other states appearing more like gravitational force; swing of the unification pendulum. Both POV in this discussion can be right, depending on the situations.

Gravity is interesting in that it has two basic time attributes, only one of which is governed by GR. GR is mass dependent and its time attribute tells us about space-time reference. The other time attribute is more connected to phase characteristics, as a function of gravitational pressure.

Whereas, GR will cause space-time to contract most in the center of gravity; time slows, material phases increase frequency, as we move into the same center of gravity; frequency based time speeds up. The center of the sun has the most GR time dilation, but also the fastest particle frequencies connected to fusion; gamma rays. There are two time vectors going in the opposite directions, with GR only describing one of these two time vectors. The other time vector has more in common with the unification of the electron and the EM force and gravity.

One aspect of the GR component of gravity, that is not fully addressed, is connected to changes of reference due to gravity. As mass compresses into a denser body, such as a forming star, the gravitational pull increases as the star grows, even though the gravitational potential has lowered, as all the star's mass gets closer and denser. There is a paradox.  With other forces, as their potential gets lower; charges stick together, the final state does not amplify the original force, as does gravity.

One GR based explanation is as space-time contracts, the center of gravity's reference would see distances appear to get closer. As such, although there is a weaker gravitational potential, due to less potential, this is acting through a reference, which appears to be getting closer and closer to things. To someone on a less contracted GR reference, looking at this, it would appear like the potential has gotten stronger, since we see longer distances than the source of the gravity sees from its GR reference. 

For example, the black hole's gravity is extremely strong, even though all its original mass particles have lost nearly all their original gravitational potential. The black hole has almost no distance left.  This situation, via GR, causes the black-hole's space-time reference to contract, so it can see very distant things appearing to be very close to itself. Although the black hole has less gravitational potential, the closeness of space and time, in its contracted reference, allows for greater gravity interaction, over vast distances, in our reference, since they are closer in its reference.

From our earth reference we do not expect its gravitational field to go that far. Yet, the black hole can be influence mass, way beyond itself such, as at the perimeter of galaxies. This creates, in our reference, to be what appears to be a stronger force,coming from something, that has lost most of its gravitational potential, already.

There is no preferred reference, so why not use the black hole reference and do calculations based on what the black hole will see? A weak force over close distances, will have the same pull as a strong force over long distances. Why do we assume the earth is the preferred reference; standard we use, and then say there is no preferred reference? This GR special affect may be the basis for what we call dark matter; due to close GR references and matter. This solves the paradox of less being more.
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: Origin on 12/04/2021 13:16:56
Gravity is interesting in that it has two basic time attributes, only one of which is governed by GR. GR is mass dependent and its time attribute tells us about space-time reference. The other time attribute is more connected to phase characteristics, as a function of gravitational pressure.
What is a time attrbute?  What do you mean by phase characteristics?
Whereas, GR will cause space-time to contract most in the center of gravity; time slows
Of course GR doesn't cause gravity.  So you are referring to gravitational time dilation.I
material phases increase frequency, as we move into the same center of gravity; frequency based time speeds up.
How can a materials phase have a frequency?  What do you mean by frequency based time?
There are two time vectors going in the opposite directions,
Time is not a vector, it is a scalar quantity.
Title: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: MichaelMD on 12/04/2021 17:05:55
Assuming that puppypower and Origin, and "spacetime" physics have not taken over this Thread, I'll weigh in on how my ether model views time. Time is a rate we experience in our particular cosmic environment. determined by the vibratory rate of the elemental ether units in the ether all around us and inside us. The ether underlies and underpins the quantum physics observed in our world. Time passes faster in our earthly environment because of the relatively high level of magnetic energy at Earth's surface. Time would pass much slower in outer space, where the ether is not as energized by such magnetic forces, making the vibratory rate slower there.

Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: Origin on 12/04/2021 17:24:03
Time is a rate we experience in our particular cosmic environment. determined by the vibratory rate of the elemental ether units in the ether all around us and inside us. The ether underlies and underpins the quantum physics observed in our world. Time passes faster in our earthly environment because of the relatively high level of magnetic energy at Earth's surface. Time would pass much slower in outer space, where the ether is not as energized by such magnetic forces, making the vibratory rate slower there.
That sounds extremely vague.  Do you have a mathematical model of your idea so we could get a more detailed understanding.
How does magnetic energy cause the ether to vibrate?  What is the magnetic energy at the earths surface?  What is the magnetic energy of outer space?  How does vibrating ether effect time?
What experiments could support of falsify your ideas?
Title: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: MichaelMD on 12/04/2021 17:43:13
As a reply to puppypower's lengthy discussion of how quantum physics views gravity, and black holes, I might just give the gravity model I arrive at, using my ether model.

In my model, two gravitationally-attracted bodies, each composed of quantum/atomic units, also have innumerable ether units that accompany the quantum units. The ether units inside the bodies are at a higher energy level than are the ether units in the space between the two bodies, because of the magnetic forces going on inside the bodies.

The outer surface of the two bodies are composed of atomically-structured quantum units, but also present are various kinds of ether units, which, in my model, would include not just elemental ether units, but also transitional etheric units, or "etheroidal" units, which have not quite formed fully-quantum sizes, and which therefore still retain the vibratory-type ether-dynamic. -These etheroidal units, therefore, are "nearly" quantum sized, but still small enough to pass between the quantum/atomic units, and enter the space between the two bodies. This "leakage" of "almost quantum" units into the space between the bodies has two important effects - one, the space is partially quantized , and two, the ether in the space contracts, which is what produces the attraction between the bodies.

Now, the ether in the space between the bodies is no longer vibrating quietly, in a random fashion, but instead, the energy of the quantization going on is causing ether units to entrain into larger quantum scale units.
The increased contact between,  and combining of, ether units into larger units, contracts the amount of "room" for free vibration in the ether. Contracting the ether draws the bodies toward each other.  .
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: MichaelMD on 12/04/2021 18:30:27
Time is a rate we experience in our particular cosmic environment. determined by the vibratory rate of the elemental ether units in the ether all around us and inside us. The ether underlies and underpins the quantum physics observed in our world. Time passes faster in our earthly environment because of the relatively high level of magnetic energy at Earth's surface. Time would pass much slower in outer space, where the ether is not as energized by such magnetic forces, making the vibratory rate slower there.
That sounds extremely vague.  Do you have a mathematical model of your idea so we could get a more detailed understanding.
How does magnetic energy cause the ether to vibrate?  What is the magnetic energy at the earths surface?  What is the magnetic energy of outer space?  How does vibrating ether effect time?
What experiments could support of falsify your ideas?

In regard to the ether in outer space, the idea in my model of time is that outer space ether is far distant from the magnetizing effects of cosmic bodies like stars and so on, so that the ether there is less energized or "quieter," and has a slower time rate. Earthly time is subject to the higher magnetic energy levels arising from cosmic bodies, so our rate of time is faster.

In my ether model, magnetic energy does not "cause the ether to vibrate." Elemental ether units derived their vibrations when the ether first formed ("first causally"), after a universal oscillation underwent transition to vibrations. -The origin of magnetism and its forces starts in the ether itself. The ether is the primary actor, and the magnetism we observe at our level of atomic-level observation, follows after. In magnetism, the etheric forces originate from a difference in the density of vibrationally-related ether units between two magnetic "poles," or "nodes." - In "trying to equilibrate" this differential in strength, a movement, or flow, of energized, vibrationally aligned, and now entraining, ether units having the same kind of vibratory pattern, begins in the zone between the two nodes, going from the stronger node toward the weaker one.

Quantum/atomic forces react in a secondary fashion to the process in the ether, because the quantum units are closely tied to the ether units. In fact, quantum units were formed from, and are still composed of, elemental ether units. Quantum units interact with their own dynamics, of course,involving waves, vectors, and the like, but, simultaneously, their etheric building-block elements still "feel" what is going on in the ether, through the vibrations.

All this can be better appreciated by taking a fresh look, with this kind of perspective, at quantum entanglement.
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: jeffreyH on 12/04/2021 19:05:43
Time is a rate we experience in our particular cosmic environment. determined by the vibratory rate of the elemental ether units in the ether all around us and inside us. The ether underlies and underpins the quantum physics observed in our world. Time passes faster in our earthly environment because of the relatively high level of magnetic energy at Earth's surface. Time would pass much slower in outer space, where the ether is not as energized by such magnetic forces, making the vibratory rate slower there.
That sounds extremely vague.  Do you have a mathematical model of your idea so we could get a more detailed understanding.
How does magnetic energy cause the ether to vibrate?  What is the magnetic energy at the earths surface?  What is the magnetic energy of outer space?  How does vibrating ether effect time?
What experiments could support of falsify your ideas?

In regard to the ether in outer space, the idea in my model of time is that outer space ether is far distant from the magnetizing effects of cosmic bodies like stars and so on, so that the ether there is less energized or "quieter," and has a slower time rate. Earthly time is subject to the higher magnetic energy levels arising from cosmic bodies, so our rate of time is faster.

In my ether model, magnetic energy does not "cause the ether to vibrate." Elemental ether units derived their vibrations when the ether first formed ("first causally"), after a universal oscillation underwent transition to vibrations. -The origin of magnetism and its forces starts in the ether itself. The ether is the primary actor, and the magnetism we observe at our level of atomic-level observation, follows after. In magnetism, the etheric forces originate from a difference in the density of vibrationally-related ether units between two magnetic "poles," or "nodes." - In "trying to equilibrate" this differential in strength, a movement, or flow, of energized, vibrationally aligned, and now entraining, ether units having the same kind of vibratory pattern, begins in the zone between the two nodes, going from the stronger node toward the weaker one.

Quantum/atomic forces react in a secondary fashion to the process in the ether, because the quantum units are closely tied to the ether units. In fact, quantum units were formed from, and are still composed of, elemental ether units. Quantum units interact with their own dynamics, of course,involving waves, vectors, and the like, but, simultaneously, their etheric building-block elements still "feel" what is going on in the ether, through the vibrations.

All this can be better appreciated by taking a fresh look, with this kind of perspective, at quantum entanglement.

You were asked for a mathematical model, not more word salad. Cat got your tongue?
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: MichaelMD on 13/04/2021 17:05:01
Time is a rate we experience in our particular cosmic environment. determined by the vibratory rate of the elemental ether units in the ether all around us and inside us. The ether underlies and underpins the quantum physics observed in our world. Time passes faster in our earthly environment because of the relatively high level of magnetic energy at Earth's surface. Time would pass much slower in outer space, where the ether is not as energized by such magnetic forces, making the vibratory rate slower there.
That sounds extremely vague.  Do you have a mathematical model of your idea so we could get a more detailed understanding.
How does magnetic energy cause the ether to vibrate?  What is the magnetic energy at the earths surface?  What is the magnetic energy of outer space?  How does vibrating ether effect time?
What experiments could support of falsify your ideas?

In regard to the ether in outer space, the idea in my model of time is that outer space ether is far distant from the magnetizing effects of cosmic bodies like stars and so on, so that the ether there is less energized or "quieter," and has a slower time rate. Earthly time is subject to the higher magnetic energy levels arising from cosmic bodies, so our rate of time is faster.

In my ether model, magnetic energy does not "cause the ether to vibrate." Elemental ether units derived their vibrations when the ether first formed ("first causally"), after a universal oscillation underwent transition to vibrations. -The origin of magnetism and its forces starts in the ether itself. The ether is the primary actor, and the magnetism we observe at our level of atomic-level observation, follows after. In magnetism, the etheric forces originate from a difference in the density of vibrationally-related ether units between two magnetic "poles," or "nodes." - In "trying to equilibrate" this differential in strength, a movement, or flow, of energized, vibrationally aligned, and now entraining, ether units having the same kind of vibratory pattern, begins in the zone between the two nodes, going from the stronger node toward the weaker one.

Quantum/atomic forces react in a secondary fashion to the process in the ether, because the quantum units are closely tied to the ether units. In fact, quantum units were formed from, and are still composed of, elemental ether units. Quantum units interact with their own dynamics, of course,involving waves, vectors, and the like, but, simultaneously, their etheric building-block elements still "feel" what is going on in the ether, through the vibrations.

All this can be better appreciated by taking a fresh look, with this kind of perspective, at quantum entanglement.

You were asked for a mathematical model, not more word salad. Cat got your tongue?

It's not possible for us to do mathematics on the ether because we have yet to detect it, due to its ultra-rarified nature, relative to our quantum/atomic earthly world. To investigate the ether, first we'd need physics to realize that the ether exists.
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: Origin on 13/04/2021 18:15:49
It's not possible for us to do mathematics on the ether because we have yet to detect it, due to its ultra-rarified nature, relative to our quantum/atomic earthly world. To investigate the ether, first we'd need physics to realize that the ether exists.
So this is just idle speculation.  Nothing to discuss then...
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: jeffreyH on 13/04/2021 18:24:45
Blah de blah, blah blah blah etc.

You were asked for a mathematical model, not more word salad. Cat got your tongue?

It's not possible for us to do mathematics on the ether because we have yet to detect it, due to its ultra-rarified nature, relative to our quantum/atomic earthly world. To investigate the ether, first we'd need physics to realize that the ether exists.

Oh, how convenient. So you have no theory at all then. Since you have no way of detecting your main component. What's that smell. Hmmm. Oh look! There is a bull defecating.
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: Kryptid on 13/04/2021 21:00:31
It's not possible for us to do mathematics on the ether because we have yet to detect it

That's actually very untrue. Relativity, for example, had its basic mathematical underpinnings worked out before any kind of space-time distortions had been detected. The math and theory preceded the experiments.
Title: Re: Re: What exactly is gravity?
Post by: MichaelMD on 15/04/2021 03:24:13
It's not possible for us to do mathematics on the ether because we have yet to detect it

That's actually very untrue. Relativity, for example, had its basic mathematical underpinnings worked out before any kind of space-time distortions had been detected. The math and theory preceded the experiments.

In my Post, I meant was that we cannot make direct measurements of etheric processes at our level of observation. -We observe quantum forces, which involve waves, vectors, and the ike, detectable to us. The primary actor, the ether, acts through its vibrations, including the motivational vibratory effect upon the etheric "building block" components of the quantum unit, which initiates the effects we observe at our level.

To start doing mathematics on the ether, we would have to generate a selectively-etheric field, one that contains a preponderance, selectively, of ether units.That would require a new kind of approach to technology than we have now.