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But fact is : Conscious Experience can affect Brain Activity ...
I was just saying that QM has been showing to us that what we call reality or the physical reality might be an illusion, a mental one and more
QM says thus the very opposite of what materialism has been saying : Bell's theorem and its related experiments corroborated that fact clearly :
Third : both psychological and biological disorders + the "external " environment , to mention just that , can affect the brain ,and hence the expression of consciousness through it ,the brain as a transceiver for consciousness and the mind .
Schwartz' excerpts might have also explained to you that psychological disorders such as OCD can trigger biological and neurophysiological ones, for example , which alter the consciousness of the OCD patients .
The latter can try to 'fix " that by being aware of the biological and psychological nature of OCD , and hence can try to rewire their brains through self-directed neuroplasticity via therapy or via informed trained self-help , and hence change their minds accordingly .
So, diseases like Alzheimer , dementia ...can alter the brain in significant ways that express themselves at the level of consciousness accordingly : the multiple damages to the neuronal correlates of memory , to the neuronal correlates of self-identity or personality .....cannot thus but alter consciousness at those levels ,since consciousness has to work and express itself through its neuronal correlates .
If the mind is dependent on the brain for its proper functioning and relys on the brain for an undistorted experience of consciousness itself, what does the immaterial contribute at all?
Predictions are not the only criterion for scientific knowledge or theories, models ...
What predictions can evolution,for example, deliver ? for the future ?
When one is constantly obsessed by just that prediction part ,that's a kindda imbalance .
author=dlorde link=topic=52526.msg446410#msg446410 date=1418344208]Quote from: DonQuichotte on 11/12/2014 20:07:16I was just saying that QM has been showing to us that what we call reality or the physical reality might be an illusion, a mental one and moreAh, no. That would be solipsism - it doesn't work. And you'd be arguing with figments of your imagination, which also doesn't work.QuoteQM says thus the very opposite of what materialism has been saying : Bell's theorem and its related experiments corroborated that fact clearly : Lol! no, they didn't. They changed our understanding of it. Reading is good, but you need to try a little more understanding.
One has to admire the childish enthusiasm with which you latch on to every new idea you encounter and read into it whatever you can find or twist to fit your worldview.
Bell's theorem and its related experiments which were conducted by Aspect , Clauser and others did prove non-locality to exist or "spooky action at a distance " or entanglement , as well as they did challenge the classical concept of "reality " or realism that states that the properties of objects can exist independently of any "observation " ,and more ,so any physical theory that might supersede QM in the future must predict the latter results and more .
Furthermore , quantum effects have been demonstrated even at the relatively "macroscopic " level
A universe that lacks "reality ", whatever the latter might mean , or that the properties of objects cannot exist independently of 'observation " is a mind blowing one indeed : I can't even imagine what that means , let alone picture that .
Sounds insane to all of us
.. that's why i presumed that the physical universe or the physical reality might be just an illusion , a mental illusion : The physical reality might not be entirely mental or entirely an illusion , but i can't picture what that new concept of "reality " might entail , who can ? Can you ?
Oh , i am asking the wrong person, a materialist lol , so , don't bother telling me about your own materialistic conception of what that new "reality " might mean . lol
I am not comfortable with that strange or weird idea .
dlorde : Your autonomic brain "explanation " (away) of the placebo effect does hold no water whatsoever , so, try to come up with somethingelse more intelligent instead= some other more intelligent materialistic inexplicable magic lol .
Some people's personalities or characters , sense of morality ....and more do change almost completely when they get ...drunk lol, for example .Some good nice polite mannered people become aggressive ,rude, vulgar , offensive ...you name it , because alcohol blocks or deactivates their inhibitions area in the brain, i guess .Even peaceful people can become beasts Under certain circumstances..
"Bell’s theorem and the experiments it fostered are responsible. Theydid more than confirm the weird predictions of quantum theory.
It inevitably disturbs pharmaceutical manufacturers that in most of their clinical trials the placebos, the “fake” drugs, prove to be as effective as their engineered chemical cocktails. (Greenberg 2003) Though the drug companies insist they’re not trying to make it easier for ineffective drugs to get approved, it is clear that effectiveness of placebo pills is a threat to the pharmaceutical industry. The message from the drug companies is clear to me: if you can’t beat placebo pills fairly, simply remove the competition!
"Mind-Time The Temporal Factor -Benjamin Libet" : "General Views on Mind and Matter ":