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Quote from: alancalverd on 25/01/2021 08:59:29Yes. January 2029, hypothermia. The date may be delayed if I am in good health and happily married. So it's not a fixed date. If newest technology can keep you and your wife healthy indefinitely, you would rather continue to live indefinitely.
Yes. January 2029, hypothermia. The date may be delayed if I am in good health and happily married.
Quote from: alancalverd on 25/01/2021 08:59:29For the UK and similar countries: abolish all child and maternity benefits and pay every woman aged 15 to 55 £500 every 6 months if she is not pregnant. Allow one exception to the "nonpregnant" rule and another if the child does not survive to age 16. Those who can afford to raise more than one child with no state support can do whatever they wish.How did you come up with those numbers? Do you think that the new rules would affect how kids already born will grow?
For the UK and similar countries: abolish all child and maternity benefits and pay every woman aged 15 to 55 £500 every 6 months if she is not pregnant. Allow one exception to the "nonpregnant" rule and another if the child does not survive to age 16. Those who can afford to raise more than one child with no state support can do whatever they wish.
The "golden rule" and the "wife test" can be pretty universally applied and should be taught at an early age.
I'm already too old to fly passengers on scheduled routes, and there will come a time when the Powers that Be require me to spend so much time re-taking exams and medicals that I won't be able to fly or drive at all.
How we treat nonhuman species depends on the species and its ecological role. I can see no advantage in the malaria plasmodium to any species but itself, likewise tapeworms, so I'm happy to poison them.
The golden rule ligitimizes violence done by masochists,
and the wife test ligitimizes violence done by loveless persons.
In a few years machine will fly aeroplanes and drive cars much better than any human.
Ageing process would be halted, and even reversed.
at least they are useful as food for their predators
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 25/01/2021 12:53:05The golden rule ligitimizes violence done by masochists, no, violence done to masochists.Quoteand the wife test ligitimizes violence done by loveless persons. no, it doesn't give permission but militates against violence. The fact that something is immoral doesn't stop anyone doing it, nor does it make the action always wrong (war, selfdefence...) but the tests provide a framework for criminal law. And a moral action must pass both tests.
OK, a bit of hair wouldn't come amiss, but do I really want acne and a squeaky voice? How will my great grandson react when a randy 120-year-old millionaire Adonis starts chatting up his girlfriend?
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 25/01/2021 14:19:34at least they are useful as food for their predatorsPlease name the predators of malaria parasites and human tapeworms.
QuoteQuote from: alancalverd on Today at 16:08:41OK, a bit of hair wouldn't come amiss, but do I really want acne and a squeaky voice? How will my great grandson react when a randy 120-year-old millionaire Adonis starts chatting up his girlfriend? When technology is advanced enough to reverse ageing, we should be able to handle minor medical inconveniences better.A universal morality doesn't depend on momentary feeling and emotion.
Quote from: alancalverd on Today at 16:08:41OK, a bit of hair wouldn't come amiss, but do I really want acne and a squeaky voice? How will my great grandson react when a randy 120-year-old millionaire Adonis starts chatting up his girlfriend?
The golden rule doesn't say to masochists that what they do to others are immoral, as long as they are also willing to be treated the same.
If we haven't identify them [predators of parasites] , we can create one.I bring it here not because I'm against humans or want to defend pests. I just want consistency and against double standard, which makes it impossible to follow moral rules reliably.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 25/01/2021 22:16:13The golden rule doesn't say to masochists that what they do to others are immoral, as long as they are also willing to be treated the same. You are confusing masochists with sadists. Interestingly, there is a UK legal precedent that criminalises sadistic assault even when the masochistic victim has clearly, knowingly and repeatedly consented to it. Drawing the line between sadomasochism and boxing did exercise the court somewhat but I think the concept of a refereed contest of skill and strength was held to be qualitatively different from onesided assault.
No need to create a predator: we already have adequate poisons to get rid of most common parasites. My point is that they are the end of the food chain - they don't have natural predators, so we won't be starving another species by eliminating them.There is no double standard. No, I wouldn't like to be poisoned, nor would I poison my family. But a parasite is an enemy that cannot compromise or run away.
Not momentary, but an entire generation disenfranchised and frustrated by the horde of competitive, successful, wealthy, educated and experienced old men in their physical prime, who grab all the nubile young women and never get tired of it. I hit my peak (and was free of acne) at around 25, but didn't have any money. Now I have a house, a car and a pension so no need to work, but suddenly I'm 25 for ever, and my great grandson hasn't got a chance!
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 21/01/2021 21:26:44Just in case I haven't made it clear yet, when I said that currently known best chance to achieve the universal terminal goal is through improvement of humanity, I meant it as a superorganism, rather than human individuals. Individually, there's nothing much can be done compared to other life forms.The parts of this superorganism are not limited to physical bodies of homo sapiens, but include everything else that supporting its existence, such as their microbiome, food chains, infrastructures, institutions, and knowledge.The whole process that produced current human civilization is essentially an accumulation of organized information. Only by continuing this process we will be able to achieve the universal terminal goal.
Just in case I haven't made it clear yet, when I said that currently known best chance to achieve the universal terminal goal is through improvement of humanity, I meant it as a superorganism, rather than human individuals. Individually, there's nothing much can be done compared to other life forms.The parts of this superorganism are not limited to physical bodies of homo sapiens, but include everything else that supporting its existence, such as their microbiome, food chains, infrastructures, institutions, and knowledge.
As long as we still exist, there is a chance to achieve the universal terminal goal. As long as it hasn't been achieved yet, there's always a room for improvement. It means something must change. Which part is yet to be determined. An accurate virtual universe can help identifying the most effective and efficient changes to be done.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/01/2021 15:14:11Nowadays, senescence and degenerative diseases sound like stupid design. But back then, they were important mechanisms to enforce genetic changes, hence opening the chance for genetic improvement.Even though harmful mutations have higher chance to occur than the beneficial ones, the risk can be countered by higher reproduction rate. But that means many individuals must be sacrificed to accumulate genetic improvements, which is not an efficient strategy.This inefficiency can be countered by sexual reproduction. Specimens containing harmful mutations will find it harder to reproduce. They may not even live long enough into maturity.Sexual reproduction which works mostly in diploid or polyploid organism enables accumulation of organized information in a form of genetic materials.
Nowadays, senescence and degenerative diseases sound like stupid design. But back then, they were important mechanisms to enforce genetic changes, hence opening the chance for genetic improvement.Even though harmful mutations have higher chance to occur than the beneficial ones, the risk can be countered by higher reproduction rate. But that means many individuals must be sacrificed to accumulate genetic improvements, which is not an efficient strategy.
I've cautioned against -isms and philosophers many times in this conversation. This is a science forum so we should stick to robust hypotheses and economic implementations of them.
On the other hand, if they also want the same pain to be inflicted to them, they are not immoral according to golden rule.