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And now the secularist the new atheism does not always cherish the unborn, the aged, the disabled, and poor unemployed woman may be told they ought to prostitute themselves by governors. And the new slavery, sex slavery was established in Eastern Europe and the model of such pimping is taking off well in the US, Mexico and the Philippines.
The old church was changing.
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 27/06/2020 17:06:21And now the secularist the new atheism does not always cherish the unborn, the aged, the disabled, and poor unemployed woman may be told they ought to prostitute themselves by governors. And the new slavery, sex slavery was established in Eastern Europe and the model of such pimping is taking off well in the US, Mexico and the Philippines.None of that has anything to do with atheism, does it?
Liberal Christians still have the Bible and may value wisdom and love and honour and compassion, but not all do. They don't believe God exists.
Atheists are free from faith, bound to natural desires. They love themselves, their wives, children, cars, houses, jobs, money, pleasures, entertainments and maybe their countrymen. To differ from Nazi Germany, they may like peace itself and foreign people. In it there is a kind of wisdom.
In it there is a kind of wisdom.
What are your values as an atheist?
And the letting go of the rejection of Nazism.
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 27/06/2020 19:35:53Liberal Christians still have the Bible and may value wisdom and love and honour and compassion, but not all do. They don't believe God exists.Did you just say that liberal Christians don't believe God exists?
Christians who believe in Christ risen, have eternal values, regarding the human spirits, souls and bodies.
hen some doubt and become agnostic or atheists,
What is worth the most to them changes.
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 28/06/2020 10:33:18Christians who believe in Christ risen, have eternal values, regarding the human spirits, souls and bodies.And armies have chaplains who explain that the eternal value of the enemy is less than the eternal value of the people on their side.Quote from: Europan Ocean on 28/06/2020 10:33:18hen some doubt and become agnostic or atheists,Let's get this straight.People start off atheists until they are told that there's a God- generally by the same people who tell them there's a tooth fairy.It's not a matter of "turning to atheism", it's a matter of growing out of fairy stories.Quote from: Europan Ocean on 28/06/2020 10:33:18What is worth the most to them changes.Really?So you don't think that atheists value their friends and families?I can only presume you are an idiot.
Atheists have the wisdom of hindsight.
But the values are different if you think once you die, you cease to exist.
If people were not religious in history, would there have been peace?
What I have heard is that they don't believe Jesus literally died and rose again, maybe some doubt the account of his life as well. Yes I think they don't believe God exists, maybe some are agnostic and some atheist.
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 28/06/2020 12:09:39Atheists have the wisdom of hindsight.So have theists.Quote from: Europan Ocean on 28/06/2020 12:01:06But the values are different if you think once you die, you cease to exist.Well, most people don't want their loved ones to die.Most religion makes it seem less of a problem- "they aren't dead and you will see them later in the afterlife".In doing so, religion promotes death as more acceptable.And, in doing that it devalues life.So, yes, there may be differences in values, Atheists are more likely to think people's lives are important.That, to get back to the original question, is why some religious organisations are opposing the closure of churches.They don't see death as a problem.Which is an unorthodox viewpoint.
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 28/06/2020 10:31:59What I have heard is that they don't believe Jesus literally died and rose again, maybe some doubt the account of his life as well. Yes I think they don't believe God exists, maybe some are agnostic and some atheist.And how are you defining "liberal" Christian? I sure hope you aren't saying that Christians who have liberal political values don't believe in God. What is the point of even being a Christian if you don't believe in God? Then you don't have any sins against Him that need to be absolved via Jesus' death.
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 28/06/2020 12:09:39If people were not religious in history, would there have been peace? Hard to say.But it's actually quite difficult to get most people to kill people.You need to convince them that the enemy is somehow sub-human.Look at just about any wartime(and war) propaganda and you will see that.You need to make a clear distinction between them and us.Religion is just another way to make that easy.
They do not speak of politics when saying they are liberal.
Religion and spirituality can make it harder to call others sub human. All of us are equal before the cross. It is for all races and classes...
I think it was Christian for the US constitution to come by: "All men are equal."
the model of such pimping is taking off well in the US, Mexico and the Philippines.