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Quote from: charles1948 on 13/02/2021 19:05:29Don't these "pies" convey the essential statistical information at a glance.Far more quickly, and efficiently, than the equivalent table of numbers would?The Swedish COVID death toll doubled in the last 3 months. Looking at the figures we can identify the date at which actions were taken that resulted in this significant increase, and derive a statistic that allows meaningful comparison with another country.
Don't these "pies" convey the essential statistical information at a glance.Far more quickly, and efficiently, than the equivalent table of numbers would?
the amount of people in tier 4 restrictions in the UK rose from 0 to 65million in the last 4 months. That is a rise of 0 percent.
The mortality rate in th UK in June fell from previous years, corona saved an extra ~10~ percent of people.
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 14/02/2021 12:05:53the amount of people in tier 4 restrictions in the UK rose from 0 to 65million in the last 4 months. That is a rise of 0 percent. So (65 - 0) x 100 / 0 = 0 on your planet. Who said mathematics was universal?
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 14/02/2021 12:05:53The mortality rate in th UK in June fell from previous years, corona saved an extra ~10~ percent of people." He that cuts off twenty years of life Cuts off so many years of fearing death. " Shakespeare, Julius Caesar, Act III, scene 1, line 101There are lies, damned lies, presidential lies, and bad statistics.
Justifying murder.
Once again, I can't go for an unnecessary drive in a car, can't play golf, can't go and see someone else in their garden, yet I can go indoors to a church, can send a child to nursery, and can order from the internet businesses with industrial sweatshops. It was the same a month ago, during the last lockdown, which strangely enough failed to dent the spread of corona. It is a complete waste of my time, and is patently unfair. At least this time they have bothered to shut the schools.
Nurseries were shut down due to high infection rates.
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 08/01/2021 23:40:18Once again, I can't go for an unnecessary drive in a car, can't play golf, can't go and see someone else in their garden, yet I can go indoors to a church, can send a child to nursery, and can order from the internet businesses with industrial sweatshops. It was the same a month ago, during the last lockdown, which strangely enough failed to dent the spread of corona. It is a complete waste of my time, and is patently unfair. At least this time they have bothered to shut the schools.I would like to refer to the aspect you mentioned about sending children to nurseries.I come from Gemany, and nurserys were shut down due to high infection rates. Believe me, closing nurseries should be one of the last options. A lot of parents here in Germany are in a crisis, since a lot of them can`t go to work because they have to babysit their children. And a lot of people who would love to hire a nany can`t afford it. Not every company allows or is suitable for Home Office, which leads to a lot of adults being unable to work to sustain their families. I am by no means trying to be insulting here, but it just lit a spark in my heart.
Quote from: chemhat1999 on 19/02/2021 10:40:31Quote from: Petrochemicals on 08/01/2021 23:40:18Once again, I can't go for an unnecessary drive in a car, can't play golf, can't go and see someone else in their garden, yet I can go indoors to a church, can send a child to nursery, and can order from the internet businesses with industrial sweatshops. It was the same a month ago, during the last lockdown, which strangely enough failed to dent the spread of corona. It is a complete waste of my time, and is patently unfair. At least this time they have bothered to shut the schools.I would like to refer to the aspect you mentioned about sending children to nurseries.I come from Gemany, and nurserys were shut down due to high infection rates. Believe me, closing nurseries should be one of the last options. A lot of parents here in Germany are in a crisis, since a lot of them can`t go to work because they have to babysit their children. And a lot of people who would love to hire a nany can`t afford it. Not every company allows or is suitable for Home Office, which leads to a lot of adults being unable to work to sustain their families. I am by no means trying to be insulting here, but it just lit a spark in my heart. But the infection rates came down quite drastically compared to the UK did they not ?
It is told, that the risks of infections in nurserys is way lower, than in other institutions
The small ones are supposed to be socialising and learning from other people. They absorb so much information this way. Especially in their life-phase where they develope so quickly.
Quote from: chemhat1999 on 20/02/2021 13:15:39 It is told, that the risks of infections in nurserys is way lower, than in other institutions The risk of serious infection in nursery populations seems to be low because young kids seem not to develop severe symptoms (if any) but the virus is always happy to spread to asymptomatic carriers who then take it home to their families. The best carrier is the one who doesn't know he has the disease, and is hugged and kissed by lots of adults. QuoteThe small ones are supposed to be socialising and learning from other people. They absorb so much information this way. Especially in their life-phase where they develope so quickly. And who better to learn from than their parents and elder siblings? What useful skills, behavior and language can a baby learn from another baby? Nurseries are dumping grounds for kids who get in the way of their parents earning money.
And 100% of Swedish government statistics are published by the Swedish government. But they are really, really difficult to understand if you are determined not to.
Screenshot_20210210_003425.jpg (134.81 kB . 1604x676 - viewed 236 times)Effective measures to protect the vulnerable work. Herd immunity would be achieved a lot faster than the vaccine too.
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 10/02/2021 00:37:16 Screenshot_20210210_003425.jpg (134.81 kB . 1604x676 - viewed 236 times)Effective measures to protect the vulnerable work. Herd immunity would be achieved a lot faster than the vaccine too.That is an interesting graph - but it leaves out some vital information, like:- What is the vertical axis? (Usually there is some scale, which is missing.)- What is being measured? (Usually in the Title, which is missing)- I can see the dates along the bottom (Good!)- And I can see that the vertical scale is linear, not logarithmic (Important to know...)But the general inference is interesting:- In February/March 2020, when almost no precautions were initially taken, cases exploded (in country X=unknown)- The rate of decline, from April to August, was very slow.- When the second wave began, in November-December 2020, it grew much more slowly, perhaps because people were taking social distancing, masks and contact tracing more seriously?- When the second wave declined, in January 2021, it fell very quickly.In a thread which is talking about lockdowns, you would think that you could relate the date of lockdowns to their effects - but not knowing the country, that is just impossible.- Leaving out this vital information is just poor statistics.
On that point Alan sweden is averaging a 0.2 percent fatality rate compared to cases
the main teachers in a Childs life are their parents.
3000 cases on average The cases have levelled to a sustained plateau
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 20/02/2021 21:34:27On that point Alan sweden is averaging a 0.2 percent fatality rate compared to casesThe numerate among us would have noticed that 12,649 divided by 631,166 is 2%, not 0.2%, but why let a mere factor of 10 spoil an argument? .