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Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: Eric A. Taylor on 04/06/2010 10:13:20
Chris said that it's one in a million who don't wash after using the toilet. Personally I think it's probably closer to one in 10.

I use a paper towel to turn off the water and open the bathroom door.
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: chris on 04/06/2010 10:58:07
Actually, Eric, the whole point of that comment was an ironic joke for exactly the reason you highlight - that very few people actually wash their hands after going to the toilet.
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: tommya300 on 04/06/2010 12:52:52
CHRIS!!! Lord forbid, you start a new fad!
 Most people do not understand dry type humor.
Watching Benny Hill and Mr. Bean might put us in the path to that understanding. Yea, "Cool Bean's"

Actually it might be 1 in 2,
 unless you have an audio that,
  verbally precisely articulate
   and interpret the restaurant restroom rule signs,
    to your employees.

After washing twice because they are conserving soap, I use the paper drying towel between my hand and the exiting door handle. Almost the Howard Hughes syndrome
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: tommya300 on 04/06/2010 13:20:46
Talk about cleanup Titan Against Titan in the UK

1 Lime Street
City of London, London EC3M 7, United Kingdom
020 7327 1000

International Headquarters
1 St James's Square
London, SW1Y 4PD
UK

Not good not humorous

Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: tommya300 on 04/06/2010 13:25:50
audio that, verbally precisely articulate and interpret the restaurant restroom rule signs

"Other way round" and "don't stand on the bowl"

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HAHAah Oh shooterr
It is easy to miss a sign in a blink.
But when the horn is blown someone will be shaking the noise off.

A Benny Hill potential joke
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: RD on 04/06/2010 13:28:19
Some people don't know how to use a toilet, no really ...

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Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: tommya300 on 04/06/2010 13:46:13
Some people don't know how to use a toilet, no really ...

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I do not see the comfort in riding the horse backwards It shys the sphinky wink
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: LeeE on 04/06/2010 16:31:48
As pee and poo is sterile, unless you've already got an infection, and because I've learned how to pee without doing it over my hands, then unless I'm going to be preparing food immediately afterwards I usually don't bother on the basis that there's bacteria floating about in the air, on the door handles, and in fact, on just about everything I'm likely to come into contact with.

What is actually more likely with me is that I'll have got my hands dirty doing something else and need to wash them before I go to the loo.

One exception though, is if I'm anticipating shaking hands with someone, in which case I'll do it just out of respect.

Another exception will be if my finger inadvertently goes through the paper.
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: Bored chemist on 04/06/2010 18:21:47
Pee is nearly sterile. Poo isn't even close; it's more bacteria than just about anything else.

Incidentally, one definition of a chemist is someone who washes their hands before going to the loo. (also applies to chefs in Mexican restaurants).
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: RD on 04/06/2010 20:22:09
Poo isn't even close; it's more bacteria than just about anything else.

Not quite "more bacteria than just about anything else" ...

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The colon contains large numbers of bacteria that make up about one-third to one-half of the dry weight of the faeces..
http://tripatlas.com/Human_feces

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faecal bacterial mass accounted for 44 and 35% of faecal dry weight
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v61/n2/full/1602496a.html

Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: Geezer on 04/06/2010 20:42:49
Typhoid Mary was also under the impression she couldn't infect other people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_Mary
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: Eric A. Taylor on 05/06/2010 00:52:34
Some people don't know how to use a toilet, no really ...

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This is just a bit unfair. Toilets in other parts of the world are different. In Japan for example, you squat over the toilet, much like the guy standing on the bowl.

If you've ever been responsible for cleaning a public toilet you'll see the messy evidence of improper toilet use. You have to wonder if they have the same problem at home?
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: tommya300 on 05/06/2010 13:17:59
Reminds me of an old stomach seltzer commercial jingle, "plop, plop, fizz, fizz, oh what a relief it is"

Boy am I lucky you pointed that out. I would of mistakend it and looked for the shower head.
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: LeeE on 05/06/2010 14:42:16
Poo isn't even close; it's more bacteria than just about anything else.

Not quite "more bacteria than just about anything else" ...

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The colon contains large numbers of bacteria that make up about one-third to one-half of the dry weight of the faeces..
http://tripatlas.com/Human_feces

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faecal bacterial mass accounted for 44 and 35% of faecal dry weight
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v61/n2/full/1602496a.html

Thanks BC & RD for putting me right on that one.  Presumably, this is intestinal bacteria though, so does it constitute an infection risk?  I was also under the impression that quite a lot of poo was dead blood cells - is there any truth in that either?

Heh  [;D]  I guess that in theory I could just google poo to find out but I suspect I'd find myself having to pick through a quagmire of scatological pron links before I hit pay 'dirt'.  Besides, if there are already people here who already really know their sh*t it's easier to just ask  [;)]
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: JP on 05/06/2010 16:05:38
Some people don't know how to use a toilet, no really ...

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This is just a bit unfair. Toilets in other parts of the world are different. In Japan for example, you squat over the toilet, much like the guy standing on the bowl.

If you've ever been responsible for cleaning a public toilet you'll see the messy evidence of improper toilet use. You have to wonder if they have the same problem at home?

We've got toilet signs like that in Singapore.  Many public restrooms have both the in-ground squat toilets and the sit-down style ones.  When I first arrived (from the US), I turned down a couple of nice apartments that I viewed because they only had squat toilets.

On a similar note, the first time I saw a Bidet was on a trip to Italy.  I was confused why my hotel bathroom had both a toilet and a urinal in it... better than mistaking it for a drinking fountain, I suppose.

 [;D]
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: chris on 05/06/2010 16:13:14
Most Japanese homes have "normal" i.e. non-squat toilets; an added bonus is that they also usually have a heated seat! In fact, using a toilet in Japan is something of a scary experience because the loo comes with all these buttons you can press; and as the instructions are inevitably in Japanese and not pictorially illustrated, I didn't dare press any of them, except the obvious flush one...


Chris
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: RD on 05/06/2010 16:29:21
... using a toilet in Japan is something of a scary experience because the loo comes with all these buttons you can press;
 and as the instructions are inevitably in Japanese and not pictorially illustrated

Perhaps you mistook it for a " 3 " ?  [:)] ...

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Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: tommya300 on 05/06/2010 19:47:29
... using a toilet in Japan is something of a scary experience because the loo comes with all these buttons you can press;
 and as the instructions are inevitably in Japanese and not pictorially illustrated

Perhaps you mistook it for a " 3 " ?  [:)] ...

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Looks like a button on an elevator panel, while looking up as you tie your shoes
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: Geezer on 05/06/2010 19:59:43

On a similar note, the first time I saw a Bidet was on a trip to Italy.  I was confused why my hotel bathroom had both a toilet and a urinal in it... better than mistaking it for a drinking fountain, I suppose.

 [;D]

Are you saying they are not for bathing your feet?
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: Eric A. Taylor on 06/06/2010 04:08:48
I heard (on your program) that toilet paper is as nothing to bacteria. I wonder if using a paper towel to open the bathroom door makes any difference. I does make me FEEL better.

I saw a plastic cutting board that claimed to be anti-bacterial. If such a plastic is real, could it be used to make door handles? What about some other material that would kill bacteria, like copper?

How much bacteria could be on a dry, smooth surface like a door handle anyway?
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: Eric A. Taylor on 06/06/2010 04:16:54
Most Japanese homes have "normal" i.e. non-squat toilets; an added bonus is that they also usually have a heated seat! In fact, using a toilet in Japan is something of a scary experience because the loo comes with all these buttons you can press; and as the instructions are inevitably in Japanese and not pictorially illustrated, I didn't dare press any of them, except the obvious flush one...


Chris

I think here, knowing the Japaneses for "EJECT!" would be important. How many features could be useful in a toilet? Maybe a machine called the "deconstipater" could be useful, though I shutter to think how it might work. I'm imagining some sort of grabber...
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: Geezer on 06/06/2010 04:50:37

Maybe a machine called the "deconstipater" could be useful,


You may have been preempted.

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Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: Eric A. Taylor on 06/06/2010 10:06:16

Maybe a machine called the "deconstipater" could be useful,


You may have been preempted.

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OH   MY   GOD!!!!

Kindly keep that thing very far away from me.
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/06/2010 10:19:51
Poo isn't even close; it's more bacteria than just about anything else.

Not quite "more bacteria than just about anything else" ...

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The colon contains large numbers of bacteria that make up about one-third to one-half of the dry weight of the faeces..
http://tripatlas.com/Human_feces

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faecal bacterial mass accounted for 44 and 35% of faecal dry weight
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v61/n2/full/1602496a.html


There's still not enough evidence to know if I'm right or not.
It could be 34% bacteria, 33% tomato pips and 23% sweetcorn and 10% all-bran.
Incidentally, I really don't want to know what the exact composition is.
Title: Is it really 1 in a million?
Post by: Eric A. Taylor on 07/06/2010 09:14:15
Poo isn't even close; it's more bacteria than just about anything else.

Not quite "more bacteria than just about anything else" ...

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The colon contains large numbers of bacteria that make up about one-third to one-half of the dry weight of the faeces..
http://tripatlas.com/Human_feces

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faecal bacterial mass accounted for 44 and 35% of faecal dry weight
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v61/n2/full/1602496a.html


There's still not enough evidence to know if I'm right or not.
It could be 34% bacteria, 33% tomato pips and 23% sweetcorn and 10% all-bran.
Incidentally, I really don't want to know what the exact composition is.
As a coprophobe I have to agree here. I know it has quite a lot of very bad bugs.

True enough these bugs (members of the e.coli family) do live in our guts, there they help us digest our food. It's bad news if they go walkabout though. If they get into other parts of your body it might very quickly be night night sweetheart. In your stomach, they can cause cramps and diarrhea. If the get out of your guts because of injury or your intestines rupture somehow (like with a ruptured appendix) they can cause multiple organ failure. If they get into your blood....well that would be about it. These e.coli are our friends, but only just barely. Kind of like the Soviets during World War II.