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On the Lighter Side => That CAN'T be true! => Topic started by: Bored chemist on 24/07/2021 01:10:08
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Seemingly so, but we've no proof of it.
Please explain that there is no proof that iron atoms give hemoglobin the strength to bind to oxygen in the blood.
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No iron atom exists in Haemoglobin.
Iron (II) ions do apparently.
But the evidence is open to re-evaluation.
For example, its possible that this is all a simulation.
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, then where are you?
Everywhere.
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, then where are you?
Everywhere.
LOL more likely a one room flat over a dry cleaners.
I visited the site where the CMB was discovered this morning, you can too if you come to America
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LOL more likely a one room flat over a dry cleaners.
What an odd thing to say.
I visited the site where the CMB was discovered this morning
The deep cosmos?
It's sort of historically interesting where the accident first happened but I'm not going out of my way to look for it.
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LOL more likely a one room flat over a dry cleaners.
What an odd thing to say.
I visited the site where the CMB was discovered this morning
The deep cosmos?
It's sort of historically interesting where the accident first happened but I'm not going out of my way to look for it.
Odd is your believing that you are everywhere
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No iron atom exists in Haemoglobin.
Iron (II) ions do apparently.
But the evidence is open to re-evaluation.
For example, its possible that this is all a simulation.
How many times are you going to prove your own frustration by deleting my answer?
Iron is an essential element for blood production. About 70 percent of your body's iron is found in the red blood cells of your blood called hemoglobin and in muscle cells called myoglobin. Hemoglobin is essential for transferring oxygen in your blood from the lungs to the tissues.
Yawn, so do you own any Apple? Apples have iron too you know
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How many times are you going to prove your own frustration by deleting my answer?
I didn't delete anything.
Odd is your believing that you are everywhere
You may find it odd.
Science finds it to be true.
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Iron is an essential element for blood production. About 70 percent of your body's iron is found in the red blood cells of your blood called hemoglobin and in muscle cells called myoglobin. Hemoglobin is essential for transferring oxygen in your blood from the lungs to the tissues.
It remains the case that there are practically no iron atoms in the body.
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Iron is an essential element for blood production. About 70 percent of your body's iron is found in the red blood cells of your blood called hemoglobin and in muscle cells called myoglobin. Hemoglobin is essential for transferring oxygen in your blood from the lungs to the tissues.
It remains the case that there are practically no iron atoms in the body.
Completely wrong again genius
Males of average height have about 4 grams of iron in their body, females about 3.5 grams; children will usually have 3 grams or less. These 3-4 grams are distributed throughout the body in hemoglobin, tissues, muscles, bone marrow, blood proteins, enzymes, ferritin, hemosiderin, and transport in plasma.
You might want to find another Britt to play with so you have a chance to at least look intelligent
There are approximately 1 × 10²² atoms of iron in 1 gram x 4 grams
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You just told me how many iron ions there are in the body.
Now tell me how many atoms there are.
Here's a hint.
It remains the case that there are practically no iron atoms in the body.
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You just told me how many iron ions there are in the body.
Now tell me how many atoms there are.
Here's a hint.
It remains the case that there are practically no iron atoms in the body.
I am sorry for you that you are so not smart but then you are British chemist meaning that tea is your specialty
Again there is literally iron as in nails in corn flakes and it can be extracted, your belief that there are no iron atoms in the human body is just silly, if you have none then you are extremely anemic. On the bright side you are getting quite an American education as we go along here.
How to extract Ferrous iron (made of iron atoms from corn flakes)
https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/how-to-extract-iron-from-cereal/
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Thanks for the link. It's certainly an American education; it says
"Rare earth magnets are incredibly powerful. Do not swallow."
What you now need to do is understand two things
Metallic iron is made from a lattice of iron ions in a sea of electrons- which is why (like other metals) it conducts electricity.
You also need to recognise that the human body has a surface.
Unless you penetrate that surface you may be "on" the body, but not in it.
Imagine an ant with suitable diving gear setting out - perhaps one night- from your mouth.
He makes his way through your gut- perhaps watching an iron filing on his way. And he emerges at the other end.
He never crossed the gut wall and so he was never in your body- he was on the surface of your body.
That's the path that the iron filings in breakfast cereals take.
En route, some of the iron reacts with the acid in the stomach.
In doing so, it is dissolved as hydrated ions.
So what you are saying is that something not made of iron atoms is near the body.
I could say that's the result of an American education, but really it's either trolling or this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
Which is it?
Are you pretending to be stupid (and a troll), or are you really stupid and don't understand that...
It remains the case that there are practically no iron atoms in the body.
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Thanks for the link. It's certainly an American education; it says
"Rare earth magnets are incredibly powerful. Do not swallow."
What you now need to do is understand two things
Metallic iron is made from a lattice of iron ions in a sea of electrons- which is why (like other metals) it conducts electricity.
You also need to recognise that the human body has a surface.
Unless you penetrate that surface you may be "on" the body, but not in it.
Imagine an ant with suitable diving gear setting out - perhaps one night- from your mouth.
He makes his way through your gut- perhaps watching an iron filing on his way. And he emerges at the other end.
He never crossed the gut wall and so he was never in your body- he was on the surface of your body.
That's the path that the iron filings in breakfast cereals take.
En route, some of the iron reacts with the acid in the stomach.
In doing so, it is dissolved as hydrated ions.
So what you are saying is that something not made of iron atoms is near the body.
I could say that's the result of an American education, but really it's either trolling or this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
Which is it?
Are you pretending to be stupid (and a troll), or are you really stupid and don't understand that...
It remains the case that there are practically no iron atoms in the body.
Again Son, an adult human male needs 8.7mg of iron atoms in their diet daily, so you will need less.
The iron that is added to breakfast cereal is just like the iron that goes into metal screws and nails, and is strongly attracted by a magnet. Grinding and crushing the cereal into a liquid mixture frees the added iron particles from the cereal matrix, allowing them to move towards to the magnet.
So if you do not get iron atoms daily in your diet you will become severely anemic as the human body can not manufacture iron from tea.
The more you disagree with your American master the sillier you will look.
But please continue as this is quite amusing
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You really need to learn the difference between an atom and an ion.
But, whatever...
Quote from: Bored chemist on Today at 11:42:28
It remains the case that there are practically no iron atoms in the body.
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Again Son, an adult human male needs 8.7mg of iron atoms in their diet daily, so you will need less.
I presume that you mean I will need less than you or something.
Women have a greater demand for iron on a weight for weight basis to compensate for regular losses.
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You forgot to answer the question.
Which is it?
Are you pretending to be stupid (and a troll), or are you really stupid and don't understand that...
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You forgot to answer the question.
Which is it?
Are you pretending to be stupid (and a troll), or are you really stupid and don't understand that...
To you a troll is anyone who knows more than you and or who challenges your ignorance. So again you need to consume iron atoms every day in order to be healthy. The truth does not make me troll, it does however show you for what you are.
So you enjoying that tiny little island you got there?
Yawn
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What do you think the difference is between an atom and an ion?
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What do you think the difference is between an atom and an ion?
https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/hemoglobin-and-functions-of-iron
Iron is an essential element for blood production. About 70 percent of your body's iron is found in the red blood cells of your blood called hemoglobin and in muscle cells called myoglobin. Hemoglobin is essential for transferring oxygen in your blood from the lungs to the tissues. Myoglobin, in muscle cells, accepts, stores, transports and releases oxygen.
About 6 percent of body iron is a component of certain proteins, essential for respiration and energy metabolism, and as a component of enzymes involved in the synthesis of collagen and some neurotransmitters. Iron also is needed for proper immune function.
About 25 percent of the iron in the body is stored as ferritin, found in cells and circulates in the blood. The average adult male has about 1,000 mg of stored iron (enough for about three years), whereas women on average have only about 300 mg (enough for about six months). When iron intake is chronically low, stores can become depleted, decreasing hemoglobin levels.
When iron stores are exhausted, the condition is called iron depletion. Further decreases may be called iron-deficient erythropoiesis and still further decreases produce iron deficiency anemia.
Blood loss is the most common cause of iron deficiency. In men and postmenopausal women, iron deficiency is almost always the result of gastrointestinal blood loss. In menstruating women, genitourinary blood loss often accounts for increased iron requirements. Oral contraceptives tend to decrease menstrual blood loss, whereas intrauterine devices tend to increase menstrual bleeding. Other causes of genitourinary bleeding and respiratory tract bleeding also increase iron requirements.
For blood donors, each donation results in the loss of 200 to 250 mg of iron. During periods of growth in infancy, childhood and adolescence, iron requirements may outstrip the supply of iron from diet and stores. Iron loss from tissue growth during pregnancy and from bleeding during delivery and post partum averages 740 mg. Breastfeeding increases iron requirements by about 0.5 to 1 mg a day.
Iron Requirements
Your "iron level" is checked before each blood donation to determine if it is safe for you to give blood. Iron is not made in the body and must be absorbed from what you eat. The adult minimum daily requirement of iron is 1.8 mg. Only about 10 to 30 percent of the iron you consume is absorbed and used by the body.
The daily requirement of iron can be achieved by taking iron supplements. Ferrous sulfate 325 mg, taken orally once a day, and by eating foods high in iron. Foods high in vitamin C also are recommended because vitamin C helps your body absorb iron. Cooking in iron pots can add up to 80 percent more iron to your foods. Consult with your primary care provider before taking iron supplements.
Did you know that Prince Charles is too dumb to make tea? and that his kid Harry is living in the USA because MI6 murdered his mother?
Really
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Did you know that Prince Charles is too dumb to make tea?
You were too dumb to answer the question.
What do you think the difference is between an atom and an ion?
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Did you know that Prince Charles is too dumb to make tea?
You were too dumb to answer the question.
What do you think the difference is between an atom and an ion?
https://www.thoughtco.com/how-many-atoms-are-in-human-body-603872
Atomic Composition of a Lean 70-kg Man
Element # of Atoms
hydrogen 4.22 x 10 27
oxygen 1.61 x 10 27
carbon 8.03 x 10 26
nitrogen 3.9 x 10 25
calcium 1.6 x 10 25
phosphorus 9.6 x 10 24
sulfur 2.6 x 10 24
sodium 2.5 x 10 24
potassium 2.2 x 10 24
chlorine 1.6 x 10 24
magnesium 4.7 x 10 23
silicon 3.9 x 10 23
fluorine 8.3 x 10 22
iron 4.5 x 10 22
zinc 2.1 x 10 22
rubidium 2.2 x 10 21
strontium 2.2 x 10 21
bromine 2 x 10 21
aluminum 1 x 10 21
copper 7 x 10 20
lead 3 x 10 20
cadmium 3 x 10 20
boron 2 x 10 20
manganese 1 x 10 20
nickel 1 x 10 20
lithium 1 x 10 20
barium 8 x 10 19
iodine 5 x 10 19
tin 4 x 10 19
gold 2 x 10 19
zirconium 2 x 10 19
cobalt 2 x 10 19
cesium 7 x 10 18
mercury 6 x 10 18
arsenic 6 x 10 18
chromium 6 x 10 18
molybdenum 3 x 10 18
selenium 3 x 10 18
beryllium 3 x 10 18
vanadium 8 x 10 17
uranium 2 x 10 17
radium 8 x 10 10
Again iron is the 14th most common element in the human body and elemental iron ATOMS must be consumed every day. I said that the average adult has 3 to 4 grams of iron in their body in various places and in various forms and I am correct.
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Did you know that Prince Charles is too dumb to make tea?
You were too dumb to answer the question.
What do you think the difference is between an atom and an ion?
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https://www.thoughtco.com/how-many-atoms-are-in-human-body-603872
Atomic Composition of a Lean 70-kg Man
Element # of Atoms
hydrogen 4.22 x 10 27
oxygen 1.61 x 10 27
carbon 8.03 x 10 26
nitrogen 3.9 x 10 25
calcium 1.6 x 10 25
phosphorus 9.6 x 10 24
sulfur 2.6 x 10 24
sodium 2.5 x 10 24
potassium 2.2 x 10 24
chlorine 1.6 x 10 24
magnesium 4.7 x 10 23
silicon 3.9 x 10 23
fluorine 8.3 x 10 22
iron 4.5 x 10 22
zinc 2.1 x 10 22
rubidium 2.2 x 10 21
strontium 2.2 x 10 21
bromine 2 x 10 21
aluminum 1 x 10 21
copper 7 x 10 20
lead 3 x 10 20
cadmium 3 x 10 20
boron 2 x 10 20
manganese 1 x 10 20
nickel 1 x 10 20
lithium 1 x 10 20
barium 8 x 10 19
iodine 5 x 10 19
tin 4 x 10 19
gold 2 x 10 19
zirconium 2 x 10 19
cobalt 2 x 10 19
cesium 7 x 10 18
mercury 6 x 10 18
arsenic 6 x 10 18
chromium 6 x 10 18
molybdenum 3 x 10 18
selenium 3 x 10 18
beryllium 3 x 10 18
vanadium 8 x 10 17
uranium 2 x 10 17
radium 8 x 10 10
Again iron is the 14th most common element in the human body and elemental iron ATOMS must be consumed every day. I said that the average adult has 3 to 4 grams of iron in their body in various places and in various forms and I am correct.
https://www.thoughtco.com/how-many-atoms-are-in-human-body-603872
Atomic Composition of a Lean 70-kg Man
Element # of Atoms
hydrogen 4.22 x 10 27
oxygen 1.61 x 10 27
carbon 8.03 x 10 26
nitrogen 3.9 x 10 25
calcium 1.6 x 10 25
phosphorus 9.6 x 10 24
sulfur 2.6 x 10 24
sodium 2.5 x 10 24
potassium 2.2 x 10 24
chlorine 1.6 x 10 24
magnesium 4.7 x 10 23
silicon 3.9 x 10 23
fluorine 8.3 x 10 22
iron 4.5 x 10 22
zinc 2.1 x 10 22
rubidium 2.2 x 10 21
strontium 2.2 x 10 21
bromine 2 x 10 21
aluminum 1 x 10 21
copper 7 x 10 20
lead 3 x 10 20
cadmium 3 x 10 20
boron 2 x 10 20
manganese 1 x 10 20
nickel 1 x 10 20
lithium 1 x 10 20
barium 8 x 10 19
iodine 5 x 10 19
tin 4 x 10 19
gold 2 x 10 19
zirconium 2 x 10 19
cobalt 2 x 10 19
cesium 7 x 10 18
mercury 6 x 10 18
arsenic 6 x 10 18
chromium 6 x 10 18
molybdenum 3 x 10 18
selenium 3 x 10 18
beryllium 3 x 10 18
vanadium 8 x 10 17
uranium 2 x 10 17
radium 8 x 10 10
Again iron is the 14th most common element in the human body and elemental iron ATOMS must be consumed every day. I said that the average adult has 3 to 4 grams of iron in their body in various places and in various forms and I am correct.
PS It was in the movie, Diana ask Charles to make tea and he told her that he did not know how, rhymes with dumb
Can't make that up
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PS It was in the movie, Diana ask Charles to make tea and he told her that he did not know how, rhymes with dumb
Can't make that up
Because nothing is ever made up in movies.
I don't see the relevance of Charles- either to this discussion, or in general.
His late father once visited a lab where I worked, but I didn't see him.
Did you know that Prince Charles is too dumb to make tea?
You were too dumb to answer the question.
What do you think the difference is between an atom and an ion?
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What do you think the difference is between an atom and an ion?
Is most of this squabble about a pun? The difference between iron and ion (and an iron ion)?
PS: That would be ironic...
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What do you think the difference is between an atom and an ion?
Is most of this squabble about a pun? The difference between iron and ion (and an iron ion)?
No.
As far as I can tell, Europa genuinely doesn't realise that they are different.
So he keeps redundantly pointing out that there is iron in the body- which everybody knows, but he keeps missing the fact that it is present as ions rather than atoms.
Either he's genuinely (and determinedly) ignorant or a pointless troll.
(And God only knows what he thinks jug ears has got to do with it.)
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ahem...ahem...!
Atoms vs. Ions.
Atoms are neutral; they contain the same number of protons as electrons.
By definition, an ion is an electrically charged particle produced by either removing electrons from a neutral atom to give a positive ion or adding electrons to a neutral atom to give a negative ion.
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