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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: Magnetic views on 06/10/2018 13:34:18
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There are angles and coordinates within the Great Pyramid which cross just at the center of the so called King´s chamber.The sum of these angles is 50, which was Enlil´s number and degree. Mainstream academics think Enlil among other Anunnaki were only imagination of ancient people, but according to Sumerian records, Enlil built the temple of Ekur in Nippur as well.
Pillars of Göpekli Tepe were erected c. 10500 BC, in the Age of Leo, which matches, among other things to the time of the construction of the Great Pyramid and the Sphinx, which resembles a lion.
Mainstream Egyptologists keep on telling the Great Pyramid was built by Khufu, but this is based on the frauds made by Vyse.
I have made a short video putting all these things together, including etymological traces of the names and the answer is really surprising.
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I hate to ask but did the egyptians know of the 360 degree angular system ?
The position of the stars where definatley significant to the Egyptians, there are passages at angles in the pyramids that point at stars, there orentation, and the arrangement of the 3 Giza pyramids has been linked to orions belt i believe, there are various links to common measurements from the natural world, the clock has 12 segments, angular measurement has 360, there are 2 solstices 2 equinoxes 12 orbits of the moon(ish) 365 days 90 days per quarter, 30 per moon, 12 segments, 1 degree per day (ish). Is there any evidense that the Egyptians use this ?
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I hate to ask but did the egyptians know of the 360 degree angular system ?
The position of the stars where definatley significant to the Egyptians, there are passages at angles in the pyramids that point at stars, there orentation, and the arrangement of the 3 Giza pyramids has been linked to orions belt i believe, there are various links to common measurements from the natural world, the clock has 12 segments, angular measurement has 360, there are 2 solstices 2 equinoxes 12 orbits of the moon(ish) 365 days 90 days per quarter, 30 per moon, 12 segments, 1 degree per day (ish). Is there any evidense that the Egyptians use this ?
I think they definitely knew and also used the Sumerian 60/360 degrees system. They even surveyed and coordinated new settlements and colonies by using 60/360 degrees system. I don´t know if you looked at the video, but there is a map (published also in my book Me Habirut Mahabharata Part I) clarifying metal culture settlements and mines coordinated from Kemi- Egypt or having it as the point zero. For example, ancient latitude of 30 degrees went just south of modern Finland and curiously, Finnish area was surveyed using 30 degrees. Ancient villages and holy places were established 3,33, 33,333, 333,33 etc.km away from each others. Later, Romans copied this system and called it "Leuca Gallica".
The first bigger Bronze Age settlement in Finland was Salo, which derives from Salos (three). They used it as a zero point and went on surveying according to "yanas", janas, which are widely mentioned in Vedic texts and Avestan "Yasnas" as well. Much of their literature was based on those yanas of degrees, but unfortunately falsely translated by people who don´t know the original meaning of words.
I think the pyramids, Göpekli Tepe and other monumental places of that time were also established using that 60/ 360 system of degrees, but haven´t studied it more closely yet. Enlil´s number 50 was also derivated from that system and 50 was also the latitude of the polar circle.
They used 60/360 degrees system to measure angles and also distances. Curiously, the word sakkara or sakara was also related to that system. There are numerous ancient places which include sakara in their names. Vedic chakra was originally the same word. Sakara means a point or a cusp in modern Finn.
At least the 3rd Dynasty came from Sumerian Ur and they, as members of the priestly, royal class knew everything about ancient Sumerian (Anunnaki) wisdom. Aryans (who included also "Biblical tribes") developed from that dynasty and they went on at the beginning of the European Bronze Age establishing settlements almost in every continent. I have written more about this in Me Habirut Mahabharata Part I.
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The problem is that even if etymological, historical and archeological traces of this astonishing culture are numerous, even in Finland, and Finnish language comes from Kemi- Egypt, modern Finns are mostly of hunter- gatherer and of Mongolidic background, denying everything as "a cultural loan" or "loan words", or just censoring grave stones, carvings etc. of ancient Aryan kingdoms as "formations of The Ice Age"(!!!). Most of the current N1c comes from invasions, mainly from the Great Wrath, but more or less already from the 13th century when Mongols and Mongolidics invaded Rus´ (and) original Finno- Ugric/ Finno- Aryan settlements in Russia. Cultural and social decline started from that time and finally led to monstrous Soviet Union. This is tragic, because there was a highly advanced Novgorod, with direct democracy and women's equality already 1000 years ago. Mongolidics corrupted also an advanced judicial system of Novgorod including torture, corruption and imprisonment there.
Did you know that Rus, whose name some Finno- Aryans used was their ancient patriarch in Kemi- Egypt, the son of Panu Jami (Biblical Benjamin)...
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Before we get lost in our own millennial analysis of a people circa 3000-1000BC, we need to observe some facts.
The first fact is that what we understand of Egypt is a graveyard, namely the great structures that have stood the test of time are tombstones.
There are of course sub-entity sites that bear reference to the Gods they worshipped, yet the outstanding feature is that this people as a social mechanism dedicated their efforts to honouring the Gods, by burying "greatly" their own human Pharaohs, clearly as a sacrifice to the God.
The real question is, "why would they do that?"
They weren't using i-phones back then, nor social media, they just had the sun and the stars, and the nature around them.
Logically, they were appeasing their reality by offering great tombstones....its in the description of honour and regard for their world depicted as deities. That suggests to me previous to the temple building was a great and hideous natural event that put the fear of God into everyone.
The question has been asked, "The mystery of the Great Pyramid". Can it be as simple as cause and effect, a major bad event where and when people used their reality as what we would understand today for us as technology and yet for them "nature", and how they would bargain with nature as they understood it through a type of master-slave relationship, as they would have experienced it at that level of social development.
Or, is one trying to understand Ancient Egypt in modern terms?
Regarding the design of the pyramids, the entire construction is central to a tomb, around which is a quadrangle staircase of stones.
I don't think contemporary science will ever explain the Pyramids properly, given modern science heralds post Egypt, given the Greeks and Romans never really properly quoted Egyptian text, preferring to use their own words, ruining the true meaning.
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"Regarding the design of the pyramids, the entire construction is central to a tomb, around which is a quadrangle staircase of stones."
And where are the mummies? You think imaginary grave robbers took also mummified bodies while searching treasures?! Ancient cannibals and Baal worshippers may have eaten them? Just ridiculous. Even many of the real tombs outside of pyramids in real graveyards, decorated with hieroglyphs etc. are empty. Many pharaos staged their deaths and went on to lead and establish mining settlements abroad.
At time even most of the Europeans were hunter- gatherers, without any knowledge about metallurgy, without mentioning reading or writing. It is also a real, studied fact that these metal/ agricultural people didn´t merge with hunter- gatherers, not in Europe, not elsewhere. Only at the end of the Viking Age, after loosing their kingdoms in Northern Europe they started to mix little by little to R1b and I populations.
It is not any proof pyramids being tombs when you said that "the fact is that we assume pyramids were tombs". The real fact is that it´s not any proof about anything.
There was a highly civilized and advanced culture, capable to create a high culture at time when most of the people lived in caves using only primitive stone tools, like did also Europeans´ancestors R1b and I.
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That's a really interesting spin you have on Ancient Egypt.
Of course, where is the evidence there were grave robbers, right?
Why don't we ask the royal society of archaeology/museum-relics in a empire state near you?
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Do anyone have an opinion ref the Egyptian civilisation evolving or being influenced by a much older Indian civilisation.
I haven't checked the validity of these links. They could be complete nonsense, but interesting never the less. http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/oldcity.htm www.hinduwisdom.info/India_and_Egypt.htm There also claims of old cities cerca 10000BC alover the place.
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Tired Cat, obviously with some life in it yet.
I'm seriously thinking I don't belong in this forum any more.
You sum it up so well.
My presence in this forum is clearly not required.
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Tired Cat, obviously with some life in it yet.
I'm seriously thinking I don't belong in this forum any more.
You sum it up so well.
My presence in this forum is clearly not required.
I will give some thought to changing the name to Tired cat.
What did I sum up so well.
No ones presence on the forum is required, few people give answers or even read threads or answers to questions before posting. Pseudo science and conspiracy theories are amusing, especially when imaginary gods are assumed to exist to explain the mystical just like dark matter is used in science today. When people disbelieve in your gods its best just to ignore them other wise you lose control as you would on a science forum or a primitive society.
In my opinion the purpose of gods and religion in society is to control peoples minds. This allows large numbers of people to be easily controlled and directed to do stuff like build temples or irrigation systems, allowing leaders to lead, hopefully in a beneficial way to all the members of the society. When conflicts occur between different belief systems whole societies can be brought down by knocking out one or two of the basic pillars supporting those belief systems.
I wonder if there is any truth at all in the old testament stories, Ancient Egypt had pharaohs as gods at around about the time of Pharoah Akenhaten, when a large volcano called Santorini exploded in the Mediterranean that would have sent a large tidal wave towards Egypt perhaps momentarily causing a parting of the Read sea, (its shallow) followed by a tidal wave that could have knocked out lower Egypt. This might have caused famine and plague. Chinese whispers tend to twist what happens over the years, perhaps the leaders pharaoh gods and priests were kicked out by the remaining population and wandered around for a few years before they realised they weren't wanted and wound up in Palestine, by following well established trading routes from Egypt to Palestine that a 3 legged donkey could walk in a week. It maybe just took moses the adopted son of a pharaoh or son of a pharaoh and ex god 40 years to catch on that he wasn't wanted and no one believed in him anymore. Or perhaps when it eventually dawned on the high priests of the religion that no one believed them anymore they adopted the new ideas and rewrote there history a little.
Edit the earliest references to Gods in Egypt appears to be the God Thoth whom the Greeks associated with Hermes. He was likely worshipped/deified at Khmun now known as Hermopolis. A multitude of gods/people/animals were worshipped at this location. The early Egyptians appeared to like a multitude of gods not unlike the Hindus today. Akenhatem was the first Pharoah to be mono theist, his place was taken after his down fall by the boy king Tutankamun who likely was easier for the priests to control and liked multiple deities. The ten commandments appear to be based partly on the laws written by the God Thoth, laws of Maat and Isfet? the inverse.
The age of Leo is based on astrology very popular with astronomers I understand who believe in dark matter :) and possibly other mystical things. Would anyone suggest that the Sphinx is not the oldest monument in Egypt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Sphinx_of_Giza perhaps older than the pyramids, could it have been remoddelled by succesive pharoahs and have originally represented a lion. :)
Edit Damn I forget where I was headed with this thread. The established builder of the grweat pyramid was Khufu, the pharoahs had many names or possibly head dresses :) was he also known as Thoth and maybe Enlil or ENKI All of whom may have been the same personality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer The sumerian culture predates the Egyptian culture but had many similarities. The dates coinicide more or less the end of the sumerian culture and the start of the 1st dynasty in egypt. circa 3000BC. Interestingly the sumerians had beer sadly it was rationed.
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Your saying the idea of God, Gods, is to control the minds of people, like a great muppet show?
Wow.
That's unhinged media-controlled politics.
Can we doubt that?
The Church, through the ages, has developed a sense to be separate to the state, to all that who-haa.
Where am I wrong so far? Am I wrong so far?
I'm fairly partial to ideas, to theories of everything, yet if I was a God of a planet of a species I created, I would want to, for a time, let that species develop as a "survival of the fittest" agency. "Then" I would ask myself, "is that "me", is that being "god-like"..."who understands me"?
Right?
To do that, for that "survival of the species people" to understand me, there would need to be one who could climb that ladder and then almost "sacrifice" themselves, show no power, no influence.
That's just the logic of how an ultimate God looking to not only develop a species yet communicate with that species closely would develop.
Am I wrong so far?
Whos had a great idea they thought would change the world? An idea that seeds what should be something great.
Are you promoting it like nothing else matters, or letting the whoever wants to find it in the wilderness and make something of it?
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Your saying the idea of God, Gods, is to control the minds of people, like a great muppet show?
Wow.
That's unhinged media-controlled politics.
Can we doubt that?
The Church, through the ages, has developed a sense to be separate to the state, to all that who-haa.
Where am I wrong so far? Am I wrong so far?
I'm fairly partial to ideas, to theories of everything, yet if I was a God of a planet of a species I created, I would want to, for a time, let that species develop as a "survival of the fittest" agency. "Then" I would ask myself, "is that "me", is that being "god-like"..."who understands me"?
Right?
To do that, for that "survival of the species people" to understand me, there would need to be one who could climb that ladder and then almost "sacrifice" themselves, show no power, no influence.
That's just the logic of how an ultimate God looking to not only develop a species yet communicate with that species closely would develop.
Am I wrong so far?
Whos had a great idea they thought would change the world? An idea that seeds what should be something great.
Are you promoting it like nothing else matters, or letting the whoever wants to find it in the wilderness and make something of it?
You have lost me, I do not follow Muppet shows. Religious media might as you say be aimed at Muppets. Religion has been used by the state through out the ages to control people. Emperor Constantine in 325AD tended to like to burn people and crucify them unless they converted to his new state religion for Rome. He of course was a Sun worshipper which had more to do with Egyptian religion than the religion he foisted on the Roman empire. There is absolutely no historical record that Horus or his more recent counterpart existed.
If you were a god, as you suggest you would like to be, how would you manifest yourself, would you appear as a human an animal or an inanimate object. Would you be able to do anything useful out of the ordinary, or is it just the title and the ability to give orders that appeal to you, perhaps a few conjuring tricks might make Muppets believe you were special. Ref survival of the fittest would you create wars to crush less advanced civilisations that did not believe in your omnipotence.
Back to the post how does the postee reconcile the 6000 year difference in the contruction of the great pyramid compared with what is generally understood to be the case. Is carbon dating wrong, is there some additional scientific evidence available, perhaps some obfiscated line of reasoning that could be shared.
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You've got a hell of a log fire if you think I'm a fool.
I had this idea of a book..."The intelligence of Fire"....like I thought it would be smart to link that, but no, you'd get people who just want to be stupid and trust something they dont understand.
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Mainstream Egyptologists keep on telling the Great Pyramid was built by Khufu, but this is based on the frauds made by Vyse.
What evidence have you got that proves the claims are a fraud, carbon dating of remains etc.