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Title: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: Just thinking on 20/07/2021 22:41:24
I often have wondered what it would be like to see a  nuclear missile hit the moon. I think if it was done it would be quite a spectacular sight. Why well the main reason is to do further studies on the moon's composition and density but the explosion would be a great show I think we would see the flash with the naked eye and the dust debris would be very interesting I'm sure the dust would radiate out to a very large area due to the absence of atmosphere. I will let you know when I'm about to launch.
Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: Europa on 21/07/2021 13:26:23
I often have wondered what it would be like to see a  nuclear missile hit the moon. I think if it was done it would be quite a spectacular sight. Why well the main reason is to do further studies on the moon's composition and density but the explosion would be a great show I think we would see the flash with the naked eye and the dust debris would be very interesting I'm sure the dust would radiate out to a very large area due to the absence of atmosphere. I will let you know when I'm about to launch.

I think that it's time for you to return the nurses phone.
Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: Just thinking on 21/07/2021 13:30:11
I think that it's time for you to return the nurses phone.
The man in the white coat said I can use it for a little bit longer.
Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: Europa on 21/07/2021 13:37:33
I think that it's time for you to return the nurses phone.
The man in the white coat said I can use it for a little bit longer.

OK but no nuclear launches.
Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: Just thinking on 13/08/2021 19:40:12
OK but no nuclear launches.
Why not.
Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: alancalverd on 13/08/2021 23:15:02
No point. Nukes have been exploded in space, in the atmosphere, and underground. What could you possibly learn from exploding one on or near the surface in a fairly good vacuum 250,000 miles away, that we don't already know? The only known use of nuclear explosives is to kill people and destroy buildings, and there are none on the moon.
Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: Just thinking on 14/08/2021 06:18:19
No point. Nukes have been exploded in space, in the atmosphere, and underground. What could you possibly learn from exploding one on or near the surface in a fairly good vacuum 250,000 miles away, that we don't already know? The only known use of nuclear explosives is to kill people and destroy buildings, and there are none on the moon.
I thought it would be fun it's very rare to see an impact occur and to witness a large ground explosion on the moon seeing all that dust plume and heat may give us a better perspective of the scale of things. Jupiter had a very large impact occur in the early '90s and was recorded but it left only a smudge in the clouds not very exciting.
Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: evan_au on 14/08/2021 12:11:03
Would the electromagnetic pulse be big enough to fry our smartphones?
Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: Just thinking on 14/08/2021 12:46:45
Would the electromagnetic pulse be big enough to fry our smartphones?
It could damage the satellites and transmission and receiving towers. And that is bound to happen sooner or later that's if something worse doesn't happen first.
Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: alancalverd on 14/08/2021 22:52:10
Would the electromagnetic pulse be big enough to fry our smartphones?
Possibly the greatest advance in social engineering since democracy.
Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: alancalverd on 14/08/2021 22:53:39
seeing all that dust plume and heat may give us a better perspective of the scale of things.
A 10 megaton bomb is small beer compared with an everyday hurricane. Hurricanes cost nothing and you can get right up close if you want to.
Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: Just thinking on 14/08/2021 23:18:16
A 10 megaton bomb is small beer compared with an everyday hurricane. Hurricanes cost nothing and you can get right up close if you want to.
I would like to see a hurricane on the moon then I could give my nuclear missile the flick. Then again we do see storms on Mars.
Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/08/2021 23:31:11
Well, the good news is that you would be able to see it.
I understand that you can see a candle flame (which burns about 80 W) at about 2 miles distance and that the moon is about 200,000 miles away.
So you would need something like 80* (100,000)^2 Watts of power to be seen from the Moon.
That's about 800GW
The Hiroshima  bomb set free about 80 TJ of energy.
It does that in well under a second (allowing time for the energy to be down-converted from gamma rays to heat so you could see it)
That suggests something like 80TW or about a hundred times the estimated minimum power you would need.
So even a small nuke would be visible with an unaided eye (In good conditions).

But I think that means that the only objects in the universe where we could see a small nuke from Earth are the Moon and, of course, the Earth itself.
Everything else is too far away.

On the other hand, if you want extra-terrestrial weather...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Red_Spot

Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: Petrochemicals on 15/08/2021 00:07:54
A nuke on the moon would alter its orbit. Unlike earth it has no atmosphere to cushion the blast so would escape the moons gravity.
Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: Just thinking on 15/08/2021 00:39:46
But I think that means that the only objects in the universe where we could see a small nuke from Earth are the Moon and, of course, the Earth itself.
Yes, I believe we would see the flash but it is the dust plum that would be very impressive with the absence of atmosphere on the moon the explosion would expand and take quite some time to setal it would be like a dust storm on Mars only we could see it with great clarity.
Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: Just thinking on 15/08/2021 00:46:48
A nuke on the moon would alter its orbit. Unlike earth it has no atmosphere to cushion the blast so would escape the moons gravity.
I think if you kicked the moon you would alter its orbit but even a nuke would be very small as the moon is peppered by asteroids that would amount to many millions if not billions of nukes and the moon is still there.
Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: Kryptid on 15/08/2021 00:49:25
A nuke on the moon would alter its orbit.

Only by an infinitesimal amount. You'd never know it just by looking. The Moon has far too much mass.
Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: syhprum on 15/08/2021 09:04:32
I think "just  thinking" should be transported to the Moon with the next availale vehicle so that he could send us a first hand report
Title: Re: Lets fire a nuclear missile at the moon
Post by: Just thinking on 15/08/2021 09:43:39
I think "just  thinking" should be transported to the Moon with the next availale vehicle so that he could send us a first hand report
I will try to get some good close up photos to share. Has anyone got a camera I can borrow as I don't want any dust getting on my lens?