[profound (OP)]

The only real defense against COVID-19 is your own immune system, which works best when fed right. While changing your diet is a commonsense solution for the long term, a rapid-response strategy would be to use vitamin C
   
Vitamin C strengthens your immune system and kills pathogens, including viruses, when taken in high doses.


Other important immune boosting nutrients are vitamin D, magnesium and zinc

  A Korean doctor who’s giving patients and hospital staff 100,000 IUs of vitamin D and 20 to 24 grams of vitamin C by IV reports virus-infected patients are getting well in a matter of days

As noted by Dr Saul, much of the information about vitamin C for the coronavirus is currently coming out of China. Meanwhile, in the U.S., a lot of nutritional advice is being censored and tagged as “fake news.' by vested interests.

Vitamin C Boosts Immunity and Reverses Viral Pneumonia?

For now, the only real defense against COVID-19 is your own immune system. There’s no vaccine, and even if one is fast-tracked, there would be cause for caution, as we’d have no proof of effectiveness or safety.

“Your immune system is infinitely adaptable. This is how nature made us,” Saul notes. “However, your immune system works better when it's fed right.” While changing your diet is a more long-term solution, a rapid-response strategy would be to use vitamin C.

“Vitamin C is going to strengthen your immune system. This is in every nutrition textbook ever written, so we start with that,” Dr Saul says. “The RDA in the United States is about 90 milligrams; in Korea and China it's 100 mg; in the United Kingdom it's a miserable 40 mg a day and we are sometimes not even getting that.

 Studies have shown that even 200 mg of vitamin C a day will reduce the death rate in elderly people with severe pneumonia by 80%. Studies have shown babies with pneumonia, when they get 200 milligrams of vitamin C — the adult equivalent of about 2,000 to 3,000 mg — they have an improvement in their oxygen levels in less than a day. The mortality goes down and the duration and severity of the illness is less.

Now, it is not coronavirus per se that actually kills people, it is the pneumonia and the SARS, the severe acute respiratory syndrome, that can follow it. Most people that get coronavirus will have a mild case; some will have the virus and not have any symptoms at all. We don't even know how many those people are because they have no symptoms.

Those who get COVID-19 that actually are sick are going to have the flu and it's going to be a nasty flu — it's going to be miserable. People will be sick for a week or two. The people at risk of dying tend to be the elderly and those that are immune-compromised.

 The media sort of skirts around this but this is where we have to start because the fear is based on dying. And when we have even a small amount of vitamin C, our risk of dying — even in the most severe cases — goes down.

 It is pneumonia and SARS that kills people and vitamin C has been known to be effective against viral pneumonia since the 1940s when Dr. Frederick Robert Klenner published a series of papers and was able to reverse viral pneumonia in 72 hours. Now, Klenner was a board-certified chest physician. He was a specialist and he published over 20 papers on this. The media has been silent on this therapy.”

On Vitamin C Dosing

More recently, Dr. Paul Marik has shown a protocol of intravenous (IV) vitamin C with hydrocortisone and thiamine (vitamin B1) dramatically improves survival rates in patients with sepsis. Since sepsis is one of the reasons people die from COVID-19 infection, Marik’s vitamin C protocol may go a long way toward saving people’s lives in this pandemic.

That protocol calls for 1,500 mg of ascorbic acid every six hours, and appears radically effective. However, I would recommend taking even higher doses using liposomal vitamin C if you’re taking it orally. Liposomal vitamin C will allow you to take much higher dosages without getting loose stools.

You can take up to 100 grams of liposomal vitamin C without problems and get really high blood levels, equivalent to or higher than intravenous vitamin C. I view that as an acute treatment, however.

I discourage people from taking mega doses of vitamin C on a regular basis if they’re not actually sick, because it is essentially a drug — or at least it works like one. Saul adds:

 “What I suggest, and have for some 44 years of professional life, is to take enough vitamin C to be symptom free, and when you're well, that isn't very much. I knew one lady who would take 500 mg of vitamin C a day and she was just fine. [Another person] with multiple chemical sensitivity, she needed 35,000 mg a day. Any less and she wasn't fine …

Chinese physicians who are showing tremendous interest in using vitamin C as prevention and cure. It’s been so effective that the government of Shanghai has issued official recommendations that vitamin C should be used for treating COVID-19.

    They are testing up to 24,000 mg a day by IV. Some of us think that's a little on the low side for people that are in the ICU. I would like to see 50,000 mg a day and there is a doctor … who has used 50,000 mg [on] quite a few people and we're getting more reports as we go.

They're also doing it in Korea. Right in the center of the outbreak in Korea we're in contact with a doctor who has a small hospital and he has given a single shot of vitamin D — a big shot of about 100,000 units to each patient and every staff member — and also about 20 to 24 grams (24,000 mg) of vitamin C by IV. And he's reporting that these people are getting well in a matter of days.”

Why is the news media blanking out this information and why are doctors failing it to use to save lives?

[Kryptid]

Please don't copy and paste articles from other websites (especially not without citing the source properly).

Do you have any links to reputable sources that support these claims? And by "reputable", I am excluding sources that support ideas like homeopathy, anti-vaxxing, naturopathy, new age concepts, etc.

This link suggests that megavitamin therapy has not been found by scientific studies to provide much, if any, benefit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megavitamin_therapy

[Bored chemist]

"Why has high dose Vit C and Vit D treatment been ignored for covid19?"
Because the evidence shows that it didn't work for anything else.

Why do you ask?

[evan_au]

Linus Pauling (a Nobel-winning chemist) actively promoted Vitamin C as a cure for cold and flu.
- Studies showed that it didn't help.

Vitamin C & D perform important tasks in the body (Vitamin = VITal AMINe)
- Your body is impaired if you don't have enough of them
- But if you have enough for the biochemical tasks done by each vitamin, your body will work fine
- Taking 10x the necessary dose just produces more expensive urine.

virus-infected patients are getting well in a matter of days

Around 80% of COVID-19 patients will get well in a matter of days, with no medical attention at all.
Another 15% of patients will get well in a matter of days, with hospital attention.

So you have to ask:
- Does it make the 15% recover faster, or need less intensive care?
- Does it make outcomes better for the 5% who need more intensive care?
- The way to find out is with a placebo-controlled trial
- You can't really document a trial like this with the 80% of people who are isolated at home
- Has a placebo-controlled trial been done?

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo-controlled_study

[Bored chemist]

Vitamin C & D perform important tasks in the body (Vitamin = VITal AMINe)

It says something about the state of knowledge when these terms were coined that neither vitamin C nor vitamin D is actually an amine.
Nor are A, E or K.

[profound (OP)]

Please don't copy and paste articles from other websites (especially not without citing the source properly).

Sure look:-


https://vitamindwiki.com/VitaminDWiki 


 Look under Pneumonia, Respiratory, Breathing and  Tuberculous..

[profound (OP)]

Linus Pauling (a Nobel-winning chemist) actively promoted Vitamin C as a cure for cold and flu.
- Studies showed that it didn't help.

Vitamin C & D perform important tasks in the body (Vitamin = VITal AMINe)
- Your body is impaired if you don't have enough of them
- But if you have enough for the biochemical tasks done by each vitamin, your body will work fine
- Taking 10x the necessary dose just produces more expensive urine.

virus-infected patients are getting well in a matter of days

Around 80% of COVID-19 patients will get well in a matter of days, with no medical attention at all.
Another 15% of patients will get well in a matter of days, with hospital attention.

So you have to ask:
- Does it make the 15% recover faster, or need less intensive care?
- Does it make outcomes better for the 5% who need more intensive care?
- The way to find out is with a placebo-controlled trial
- You can't really document a trial like this with the 80% of people who are isolated at home
- Has a placebo-controlled trial been done?

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo-controlled_study

When you are having difficult breathing then remember about placebo controlled trials luxury.

[Kryptid]

Vitamin mega-dosing is like giving a person twenty pistols when they can only carry two at a time. The immune system can only gain so much benefit from extra nutrients.

[Bored chemist]

Linus Pauling (a Nobel-winning chemist) actively promoted Vitamin C as a cure for cold and flu.
- Studies showed that it didn't help.

Vitamin C & D perform important tasks in the body (Vitamin = VITal AMINe)
- Your body is impaired if you don't have enough of them
- But if you have enough for the biochemical tasks done by each vitamin, your body will work fine
- Taking 10x the necessary dose just produces more expensive urine.

virus-infected patients are getting well in a matter of days

Around 80% of COVID-19 patients will get well in a matter of days, with no medical attention at all.
Another 15% of patients will get well in a matter of days, with hospital attention.

So you have to ask:
- Does it make the 15% recover faster, or need less intensive care?
- Does it make outcomes better for the 5% who need more intensive care?
- The way to find out is with a placebo-controlled trial
- You can't really document a trial like this with the 80% of people who are isolated at home
- Has a placebo-controlled trial been done?

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo-controlled_study

When you are having difficult breathing then remember about placebo controlled trials luxury.

Did you know that vitamin D is used as a rat poison?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodenticide#Hypercalcemia

[profound (OP)]

Linus Pauling (a Nobel-winning chemist) actively promoted Vitamin C as a cure for cold and flu.
- Studies showed that it didn't help.

Vitamin C & D perform important tasks in the body (Vitamin = VITal AMINe)
- Your body is impaired if you don't have enough of them
- But if you have enough for the biochemical tasks done by each vitamin, your body will work fine
- Taking 10x the necessary dose just produces more expensive urine.

virus-infected patients are getting well in a matter of days

Around 80% of COVID-19 patients will get well in a matter of days, with no medical attention at all.
Another 15% of patients will get well in a matter of days, with hospital attention.

So you have to ask:
- Does it make the 15% recover faster, or need less intensive care?
- Does it make outcomes better for the 5% who need more intensive care?
- The way to find out is with a placebo-controlled trial
- You can't really document a trial like this with the 80% of people who are isolated at home
- Has a placebo-controlled trial been done?

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo-controlled_study

When you are having difficult breathing then remember about placebo controlled trials luxury.

Did you know that vitamin D is used as a rat poison?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodenticide#Hypercalcemia

People are not rats.

Anyway 3 studies came out in April and May showing that vitamin D prevents DEATH from Covid19 THE HIGHER the level of vitamin D. Big Pharma and their stooges in the media and the government have been actively suppressing this information as it threatens the vast profits from the vaccine/drug a few months away.

Of the 212 (100.0%) cases of Covid-2019, 49 (23.1%) were identified mild, 59 (27.8%) were ordinary, 56 (26.4%) were severe, and 48 (22.6%) were critical (Table 1).
Mean serum (OH)D level was 23.8 ng/ml. Serum (OH)D level of cases with mild outcome was 31.2 ng/ml, 27.4 ng/ml for ordinary, 21.2 ng/ml for severe, and 17.1 ng/ml for critical. Serum (OH)D levels were statistically significant among clinical outcomes (p<0.001).

 A total of 55 (25.9%) cases had normal Vitamin D status, majority of which (85.5%) were identified mild. A total of 80 (37.7%) cases had insufficient Vitamin D status, majority of which (43.8%) were ordinary. Cases identified as Vitamin D-deficient were 77 (36.3%), majority of which were severe (40.3%).

Vitamin D status is significantly associated with clinical outcomes (p<0.001).
A multinomial logistic regression analysis reported that the odds of having a mild clinical outcome rather than an ordinary outcome were approximately 1.63 times (OR=0.614, p=0.007) for each standard deviation increase in serum (OH)D (Table 2).

Also, for each standard deviation increase in serum (OH)D, the odds of having a mild clinical outcome rather than a severe outcome were approximately 7.94 times (OR=0.126, p<0.001) while interestingly, the odds of having a mild clinical outcome rather than a critical outcome were approximately more than 19.61 times (OR=0.051, p<0.001).

More generally, the odds of having a mild clinical outcome increase when serum (OH)D level increases. Alternatively, the odds of having a critical outcome increase when serum (OH)D level decreases.

 This means that serum (OH)D level in the body could account for the clinical outcomes of the patients infected with Covid-2019. An increase in serum (OH)D level in the body could either improve clinical outcomes or mitigate worst (severe to critical) outcomes. On the other hand, a decrease in serum (OH)D level in the body could worsen clinical outcomes of Covid-2019 patients. In this case, Vitamin D supplementation may play an important role to raise 1,25- dihydroxyvitamin D [1,25(OH)2D], the biologically active form of Vitamin D in the blood.

In conclusion this study provides substantial information to clinicians and health policy-makers. Vitamin D supplementation could possibly improve clinical outcomes of patients infected with Covid-2019 based on increasing odds ratio of having a mild outcome when serum (OH)D level increases. Further research may conduct randomized controlled trials and large population studies to evaluate this recommendation.
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    Lei, G. S., Zhang, C., Cheng, B. H., & Lee, C. H. (2017). Mechanisms of action of vitamin D as supplemental therapy for Pneumocystis pneumonia. Antimicrobial agents and chemotherapy, 61(10), e01226-17. y.
    Rondanelli, M., Miccono, A., Lamburghini, S., Avanzato, I., Riva, A., Allegrini, P., ... & Perna, S. (2018). Self-care for common colds: the pivotal role of vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc, and Echinacea in three main immune interactive clusters (physical barriers, innate and adaptive immunity) involved during an episode of common colds 一Practical advice on dosages and on the time to take these nutrients/botanicals in order to prevent or treat common colds. Evidence-Based Complementary and Alternative Medicine, 2018.
    Cantorna, M. T. (2010). Mechanisms underlying the effect of vitamin D on the immune system. Proceedings of the Nutrition Society, 69(3), 286-289.
    Sharifi, A., Vahedi, H., Nedjat, S., Rafiei, H., & Hosseinzadeh-Attar, M. J. (2019). Effect of single-dose injection of vitamin D on immune cytokines in ulcerative colitis patients: a randomized placebo-controlled trial. Apmis, 127(10), 681-687.
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Think of all the lives that could have been saved if this information had been disseminated widely...

[Bored chemist]

So, people who are well fed (as measured by vitamin D status) are more likely to survive Covid.

Did anyone think that would not be true?
Isn't it just very very obvious?

People are not rats.

Close enough...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6158375/

[Colin2B]

Big Pharma and their stooges in the media and the government have been actively suppressing this information as it threatens the vast profits from the vaccine/drug a few months away.

Think of all the lives that could have been saved if this information had been disseminated widely...

It hasn’t been suppressed. Big Pharma and their ‘stooges’ (advertising) make a lot of money selling vitamins, and supplies around the UK have been hard to come by.
Medical teams over here are using all the tools available to fight this virus and comparative clinical trials of various treatments are continuing to find the optimum. Currently vitamin D is not showing a big advantage, this may be to the higher levels of nutrition in the UK compared many other countries.
For many years we have been advised by the health service to ensure adequate intake of vitamin D, but not to overdose as that brings its own risks.

[profound (OP)]

Big Pharma and their stooges in the media and the government have been actively suppressing this information as it threatens the vast profits from the vaccine/drug a few months away.

Think of all the lives that could have been saved if this information had been disseminated widely...

It hasn’t been suppressed. Big Pharma and their ‘stooges’ (advertising) make a lot of money selling vitamins, and supplies around the UK have been hard to come by.
Medical teams over here are using all the tools available to fight this virus and comparative clinical trials of various treatments are continuing to find the optimum. Currently vitamin D is not showing a big advantage, this may be to the higher levels of nutrition in the UK compared many other countries.
For many years we have been advised by the health service to ensure adequate intake of vitamin D, but not to overdose as that brings its own risks.

I note you totally ignored the research study as it contradicts your established thought patterns.

It has been suppressed. The big money for Big pharma is in patented drugs like remdesvir at $1000 a shot and other crap they trying to flog for covid.

The real reason is of course quite sinister. Here is another study just to upset you.

Vitamin D is associated with a low COVID-19 death rate

New COVID-19 research finds relationships in data from 20 European countries.
By
Amit Malewar
May 9, 2020
Health
Vitamin D is associated with a low COVID-19 death rate

Based on the data from 20 European countries, a new study has discovered low average levels of vitamin D and high numbers of COVID-19 cases and death rates.

Vitamin D regulates the response of white blood cells, preventing them from releasing such a large number of inflammatory cytokines. The COVID-19 virus is known to cause an excess of pro-inflammatory cytokines.

Italy and Spain both countries have reported higher Coronavirus cases. A study reported that patients in both countries had lower vitamin D levels than northern European countries.

The highest average levels of vitamin D are found in northern Europe, due to the consumption of cod liver oil and vitamin D supplements, and possibly less sun avoidance. Scandinavian nations are among the countries with the lowest number of COVID-19 cases and mortality rates per head of population in Europe.

Dr. Lee Smith, Reader in Physical Activity and Public Health at Anglia Ruskin University, said: “We found a significant crude relationship between average vitamin D levels and the number COVID-19 cases, and particularly COVID-19 mortality rates, per head of population across the 20 European countries.”

“Vitamin D has been shown to protect against acute respiratory infections, and older adults, the group most deficient in vitamin D, are also the ones most seriously affected by COVID-19.”

“A previous study found that 75% of people in institutions, such as hospitals and care homes, were severely deficient in vitamin D. We suggest it would be advisable to perform dedicated studies looking at vitamin D levels in COVID-19 patients with different degrees of disease severity.”


Journal Reference:

    Petre Cristian Ilie, The role of vitamin D in the prevention of coronavirus disease 2019 infection and mortality. DOI: 10.1007/s40520-020-01570-8

[alancalverd]

VitD insufficiency may contribute to the higher COVID death rate of non-whites in the UK, but I thought this problem had been resolved by dietary advice and supplements in the 1980s when we recognised the incidence of rickets in the British Asian population. 

Whilst COVID may reduce the number of rabid Trump clones in the USA, it would be a pity if it took the lives of many vegetarians.

[Bored chemist]

I note you totally ignored the research study as it contradicts your established thought patterns.

I note that you totally ignored my point.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't understand it.

You need to look at something like this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

[profound (OP)]

Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

''Correlation_does_not_imply_causation'''

That old chestnut? I was expecting that and sure enough you trotted it out right on cue.

So how much money does the cambridge get in donations?


Well to prove you wrong again:-

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[profound (OP)]

VitD insufficiency may contribute to the higher COVID death rate of non-whites in the UK, but I thought this problem had been resolved by dietary advice and supplements in the 1980s when we recognised the incidence of rickets in the British Asian population. 

Whilst COVID may reduce the number of rabid Trump clones in the USA, it would be a pity if it took the lives of many vegetarians.

What you thought is irrelevant.

Vitamin D deficiency is rampant.

The University of Southern California recommends a minumum of 10,000 IU of vitamin D each day and single dose pills are made at that amount, although best to combine with vitamin K2. The Pharmacology of Vitamin D, Including Fortification Strategies states that there is "no evidence of adverse effects from taking 10,000 IU of Vitamin D a day". I take 10,000 IU each day, have for years. Currently, the tolerable upper intake level (UL) in Europe and the US is set at 2000 International Units (IU), equivalent to 50 micrograms per day. However, recent research, particularly from clinical trials, suggests that this should be raised. The CRN scientists state that this could be raised to 10,000 IU (250 micrograms per day).

The reviewers, from the CRN, Mount Sinai Hospital in Toronto and Crieghton University in Nebraska, pooled data from 21 clinical trials using doses ranging from 10 to 2500 micrograms (100,000 IU). The risk assessment also included data from animal studies, some of which used “extraordinarily high doses of vitamin D3”.

“The lack of adverse effects in clinical trials that used intake up to 1250 micrograms [50,000 IU] vitamin D per day and the lack of adverse effects at lower doses inspires a high level of confidence in the data from the strongly designed clinical trials that used 250 micrograms [10,000 IU] vitamin D per day,” said the reviewers.

[alancalverd]

So how much money does the cambridge get in donations?

I think BC is an alumnus of the other place. But as you say, what I think is indeed irrelevant as it seems the non-white UK population may still be VitD deficient, so the problem clearly hasn't been solved.

Do let us know if you live for ever, or don't succumb to COVID-19 after a significant exposure. 

[Bored chemist]

So how much money does the cambridge get in donations?

Who cares?

[Bored chemist]

That old chestnut? I was expecting that and sure enough you trotted it out right on cue.

You forgot to address it.

Do you accept that if I plotted incidence/ severity  of covid vs household income (In any given age bracket), I would find that richer people are less affected?

Do you accept that , if I plotted Vitamin D levels against income I would also find a correlation?

And, if those correlations exist, how would there not be a correlation between covid and vitamin D?