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General Discussion & Feedback => Just Chat! => Topic started by: syhprum on 02/12/2018 14:52:41
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Shortly before we joined the Americans in an attack upon Iraq I joined an anti war protest march that was reputed to attracted one million people.
We where hustled around for about six hours by friendly "bobbies" ,no tear gas or water canons or batons were used and we destroyed no property the TV crews recorded people with their prams and dogs and fools dressed in funny outfits and the result absolutely nothing the attack on Iraq took place as it had been planned for six months .
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perhaps the Brits are more civilized than the French?
or fewer radical Muslims in attendance?
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libert%C3%A9,_%C3%A9galit%C3%A9,_fraternit%C3%A9
Because equality is written into there government statutes, they are stake holders in the country, and it is expected. The scottish system is very similar, the king governed with consent, so the laws are more socially based, maybe we could adopt the scottis model, but the ruling powers in this country would not probably accept that, as they always havnt(notice the difference).
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My recollection is that petrol/gasoline prices were always quite high in Europe, compared to the USA.
- This has strongly promoted fuel efficiency in Europe, compared to the USA
Maybe the French need to return to cars like the legendary Citroen deux chevaux (the 2 horsepower car), or the Fiat Bambino?
I am certainly not in favor of sparking an international conflict to keep the prices artificially low on a resource like oil which has passed its peak...
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"I am certainly not in favor of sparking an international conflict to keep the prices artificially low on a resource like oil which has passed its peak..."
passed it's peak?...that has been stated for so many years...and yet the world is now flooded with oil.
certainly, at some time in the future, the world will have a shortage of fossil fuels; however I believe by then scientists will find a way to replace fossil fuels with any number of potential energy sources.
(unless we find a way to destroy ourselves by other means first).
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passed it's peak?...that has been stated for so many years...and yet the world is now flooded with oil.
World oil discoveries peaked in the 1960s.
- World oil production per capita peaked around 1979, and has been declining since.
- The world's largest oilfield peaked in 2009, and the second largest in 2005.
That means that our fair share is declining. Recent changes to fuel efficiency laws in US vehicles suggest that "fairness" is not a priority for the government, although people are voting with their purchases.
I agree that production is spiky - as cheap oil reduced, USA has increased domestic production - including some very expensive and hard to reach sources:
- Deep ocean drilling, which sparked the Deep Horizon disaster.
- There is increased use of fracking to extract "tight" oil in low permeability rocks
- There is pressure on Canada to melt permafrost to extract tar sands, a very inefficient process.
We have heard of "blood diamonds", one must wonder if western participation in the Yemeni civil war is now producing "blood oil"?
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil#Production
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I believe by then scientists will find a way to replace fossil fuels with any number of potential energy sources.
We have.
The problem is that we have yet to solve the problem of stupid politicians and people who "don't think it's a problem now."
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Evan,
you are an intelligent and well spoken man, and altho I might disagree with you on some issues, this is not one.
my point is that everything you say may be true, however immaterial to the greater problem, which is what happens to the world's people when fossil fuels are totally dissapated? (which it appears will ultimately occur).
my conclusion is that (presuming we continue to survive any disasters that may occur prior to the total exhaustion of fossil fuels) our scientists, with the assistance of those capitalists who remain after any political attempt to eliminate them; will find the means to devise alternate sources of energy.
"Atlas Shrugged" altho quite imaginary, is an amusing view of such times.
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The French protests seem to have been successful in persuading the government to at least postpone the fuel tax increases.
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much like the American protests of the English tax on tea.
hope it does not lead to a more violent revolution, as ultimately occured in the Revolutionary war in the US.
edit: as i recall, didn't the French lead the US in the demonstration of freedom of the people?
and weren't the French helpful in the US revolution?
i would personally like to thank the French people for their leadership and assistance to America in the battle for freedom of mankind.
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to get back to the original question "why can't we have protests like the French?":
because you don't have enough Citroens to set on fire.
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much like the American protests of the English tax on tea.
hope it does not lead to a more violent revolution, as ultimately occured in the Revolutionary war in the US.
edit: as i recall, didn't the French lead the US in the demonstration of freedom of the people?
and weren't the French helpful in the US revolution?
i would personally like to thank the French people for their leadership and assistance to America in the battle for freedom of mankind.
1st) the support for a country that continued slavery long after the king of engeland abolished it
2)france may have had a revolution already which is why they are so much more invested in there country than the peoples of Engeland and the Usa, if any one tries to tell you that is wrong look at the wealth devide in the countries mentioned. 10 percent o americans control 75 percent of money, leaving 25 percent money for the other 270 million americans. I think this is what france is trying to aviod. Them great big commie bastards unlike the rulers of the uk and Usa, big brother will now come and re-educate me. So perhaps its the fact they have something to loose, you can only make a baby cry if it has a lollypop already.
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and weren't the French helpful in the US revolution?
i would personally like to thank the French people for their leadership and assistance to America in the battle for freedom of mankind.
Freedom of mankind?
If I remember correctly they were busy trying to enslave the natives of Canada at the time - along with their long time enemies the English. So supporting the American Revolution seemed like a good way to distract the English. Neat tactics.
Interesting that none of the countries involved learnt the lesson that people like to feel in control of their own future rather than be dictated to by some faceless entity a long way away (or sometimes quite close by.
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We do have Citroens but they put British labels on them
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doesn't have the same cachet.
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and weren't the French helpful in the US revolution?
i would personally like to thank the French people for their leadership and assistance to America in the battle for freedom of mankind.
Freedom of mankind?
If I remember correctly they were busy trying to enslave the natives of Canada at the time - along with their long time enemies the English. So supporting the American Revolution seemed like a good way to distract the English. Neat tactics.
Interesting that none of the countries involved learnt the lesson that people like to feel in control of their own future rather than be dictated to by some faceless entity a long way away (or sometimes quite close by.
Self determination, Woodrow Wilson. One of the great great american statesmen, sadly not listened to by non other than the french and we endeded up with the 2nd and 3rd quarters of the 20th century.
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to get back to the original question "why can't we have protests like the French?":
because you don't have enough Citroens to set on fire.
jimbobghost,
Tell me this was not a joke
Taking the p**s at the French for setting up cars on fire..√
Taking the p**s at Citroens for low popularity..√
It looks like a joke, it smells like a joke, but if I laugh, you would tell me you were serious
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Taking the p**s at Citroens for low popularity..√
Nothing low popularity about them. Excellent engineering, rugged, cheap. Bend it, you just knock it back into shape.
We were once exploring the high French Alps on a remote track of large boulders, in a 4x4 we were driving carefully, stopped to admire the view when there was a loud clattering noise and a 2CV shot past, suspension bouncing, not a care in the world.
Forgot, also utilitarian, once followed one that appeared to have a large dog in the back, as we got closer we realised it was a large calf.
Very popular, still see a lot of them.
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Taking the p**s at Citroens for low popularity..√
Nothing low popularity about them. Excellent engineering, rugged, cheap. Bend it, you just knock it back into shape.
We were once exploring the high French Alps on a remote track of large boulders, in a 4x4 we were driving carefully, stopped to admire the view when there was a loud clattering noise and a 2CV shot past, suspension bouncing, not a care in the world.
Forgot, also utilitarian, once followed one that appeared to have a large dog in the back, as we got closer we realised it was a large calf.
Very popular, still see a lot of them.
Most great jokes are based on exaggeration and falsehood, it was a great joke.
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Taking the p**s at Citroens for low popularity..√
Nothing low popularity about them. Excellent engineering, rugged, cheap. Bend it, you just knock it back into shape.
We were once exploring the high French Alps on a remote track of large boulders, in a 4x4 we were driving carefully, stopped to admire the view when there was a loud clattering noise and a 2CV shot past, suspension bouncing, not a care in the world.
Forgot, also utilitarian, once followed one that appeared to have a large dog in the back, as we got closer we realised it was a large calf.
Very popular, still see a lot of them.
From a large dog to a large calf, how fast was that car going?
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"why can't we have protests like the French?"
I propose we start a protest to protest about the lack of French-emulating protests...
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"why can't we have protests like the French?"
I propose we start a protest to protest about the lack of French-emulating protests...
I protest against that
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I protest against any protests, protesting anything the French do, manufacture, elect through their political system, or wars they engage in (or attempt to engage in).
the French provide the fodder for global humor.
(sorry to my Froggy friends...the devil made me do it)
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I protest against any protests, protesting anything the French do, manufacture, elect through their political system, or wars they engage in (or attempt to engage in).
the French provide the fodder for global humor.
(sorry to my Froggy friends...the devil made me do it)
I love the French, some of my best friends are French, they are awesome people.
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agreed; and I love their fries too.
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agreed; and I love their fries too.
hahaha
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Hitler once asked "is Paris burning"?
he should have waited a few years (insignificant in Bogie's ISU time frames); since the people of France, with the assistance of Islam, are apparently currently setting Paris ablaze (with the abundance of Citroens available).
is it time for France to surrender to Islam (who's devotees the French government invited into their country)?
after all, surrender is one of the things the French do best...other than their delicious fries.