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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: fthomposon on 24/05/2017 17:30:49
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The notion of dark matter as a weakly interacting clump of stuff that travels with the ordinary matter is incorrect. Dark matter is a smoothly distributed superfluid which fills ‘empty’ space that is displaced by ordinary matter.
'Einstein: Ether and Relativity'
if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium.
If, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the [superfluid dark matter] as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that [superfluid dark matter] consists of [particles which can be individually tracked through time]. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium [that has mass and is displaced by the particles of ordinary matter which exist in it and move through it, causing it to wave].
the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places
The state of the [superfluid dark matter] is at every place determined by connections with the [ordinary] matter and the state of the [superfluid dark matter] in neighboring places [which is the state of displacement of the superfluid dark matter]
The superfluid dark matter displaced by the Earth pushing back and exerting pressure toward the Earth is gravity.
What is referred to geometrically as curved spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the superfluid dark matter.
The state of displacement of the superfluid dark matter is gravity.
'The Milky Way's dark matter halo appears to be lopsided'
The emerging picture of the dark matter halo of the Milky Way is dominantly lopsided in nature.
The Milky Way's halo is lopsided due to the ordinary matter in the Milky Way moving through and displacing the superfluid dark matter, analogous to a submarine moving through and displacing the water.
'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very closely.
The center of the light lensing through the space neighboring the galaxy clusters and the center of the galaxy clusters themselves is offset due to the galaxy clusters moving through and displacing the superfluid dark matter, analogous to submarines moving through and displacing the water.
'NASA's Gravity Probe B Confirms Two Einstein Space-Time Theories'
Imagine the Earth as if it were immersed in honey. As the planet rotates, the honey around it would swirl, and it's the same with space and time
Honey has mass and so does the superfluid dark matter. The swirl is the state of displacement of the superfluid dark matter connected to and neighboring the Earth.
Particles of ordinary matter move through and displace the superfluid dark matter causing it to wave, analogous to a boat moving through and displacing the water causing it to have a bow wave.
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The notion of a 'clumpy' dark matter is beginning to be refuted.
'Dark Matter Might Be More Ubiquitous Than We Ever Thought'
dark matter is smooth, distributed more evenly throughout space than we thought.
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Where did you get that idea from? Dark matter by its very definition is not smoothly distributed. If it were then we wouldn't be able to detect it as causing the light curves in galaxy rotation.
inversecom/article/24863-dark-matter-might-be-smoother-than-we-thought
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Do you see now? Its speaking of dark matter as being very smoothly distributed, i.e. less clumpy, than we thought. It does not say that its perfectly smooth. Please keep in mind from now on the difference between "smooth" and "smoother."
What physicists mistake for the 'clumpiness' is actually the state of displacement of the superfluid dark matter which fills 'empty' space. The state of displacement of the superfluid dark matter is curved spacetime.
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The question is, "what if dark matter is space time fabric itself?"
The answer is yes, dark matter is the space time fabric itself..
The reason why the answer is yes is because what physicists mistake for the 'clumpiness' of the dark matter is actually the state of displacement of the superfluid dark matter which fills 'empty' space. The state of displacement of the superfluid dark matter is what is referred to geometrically as curved spacetime.
The reason why the answer is yes is because the geometrical representation of gravity referred to as curved spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the superfluid dark matter.
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You are simply not allowed to post your ideas in this forum since they are not currently accepted physics. In fact your idea makes absolutely no sense and is unrelated to reality, i.e. observations of nature. Physics does not consist of mere speculation like this. Its based solely on reality and what actually works consistently to describe nature. Your speculations here do none of that. Your claims where moved to the new theories forum for that reason. Reposting them again in this forum because they were removed from this thread is simply not acceptable behavior.
I correctly answered the question.
The notion of dark matter as the spacetime fabric is also not currently accepted physics. The only currently accepted answer is "no, it isn't". However, that answer is incorrect as dark matter is the spacetime fabric.
'Dark Matter Might Be More Ubiquitous Than We Ever Thought'
inversecom/article/24863-dark-matter-might-be-smoother-than-we-thought
dark matter is smooth, distributed more evenly throughout space than we thought.
'Rotating galaxies'
thedailycaseedu/rotating-galaxies-distribution-normal-matter-precisely-determines-gravitational-acceleration/
it could also be something in the nature of dark matter like the superfluid dark matter proposed by Justin Khoury
'Dark Matter's New Wrinkle: It May Behave Like Wavy Fluid'
spacecom/27744-dark-matter-wavy-fluid-galaxies.html
The mysterious dark matter that makes up most of the matter in the universe may behave more like wavy fluids
The smoothly distributed superfluid wavy dark matter fills 'empty' space and is displaced by ordinary matter.
The only way to correctly answer a correctly asked not currently accepted question such as, "What if dark matter is space time fabric itself?", is with the correct not currently accepted answer, "Yes, it is".
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Q. Is dark matter the spacetime fabric itself?
A. Yes, it is.
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Totally incorrect and completely unjustified. Nowhere in any of the physics literature can anything be found to justify your that claim.
What is it about justifying your claims that you're unable to understand?
You first have to be willing to consider the possibility that dark matter is not a weakly interacting clump of stuff that travels with the ordinary matter in order to consider the possibility that I am justifying my claims.
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Proof of your claim that dark matter the spacetime fabric itself has nothing to do with how its distributed. In fact is abundantly clear that you have no idea what spacetime is.
And the point I am not allowed to make is that dark matter is a smoothly distributed superfluid.
In fact why don't you tell everyone what the definition of spacetime is?
Spacetime is the geometrical representation of the state of the superfluid dark matter as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the superfluid dark matter in neighboring places.
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Q. Is dark matter the spacetime fabric itself?
A. Yes, it is. Dark matter is a smoothly distributed superfluid which fills 'empty' space that is displaced by ordinary matter. What is referred to geometrically as curved spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the superfluid dark matter.
'NASA's Gravity Probe B Confirms Two Einstein Space-Time Theories'
nasagov/mission_pages/gpb/gpb_results.html
Imagine the Earth as if it were immersed in honey. As the planet rotates, the honey around it would swirl, and it's the same with space and time
Honey has mass and so does the superfluid dark matter. The swirl is the state of displacement of the superfluid dark matter connected to and neighboring the Earth.
'The Milky Way's dark matter halo appears to be lopsided'
arxivorg/abs/0903.3802
The emerging picture of the dark matter halo of the Milky Way is dominantly lopsided in nature.
The Milky Way's halo is lopsided due to the ordinary matter in the Milky Way moving through and displacing the superfluid dark matter, analogous to a submarine moving through and displacing the water.
The superfluid dark matter displaced by the ordinary matter the Milky Way consists of pushing back and exerting pressure toward the Milky Way is gravity. The superfluid dark matter pushing back and exerting pressure toward the ordinary matter the Milky Way consists of causes the stars in the outer arms of the Milky Way to orbit about the galactic center at the rate in which they do.
The mass of the superfluid dark matter connected to and neighboring the ordinary matter the Milky Way consists of which is displaced by the ordinary matter is the 'missing mass'.
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'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.1475
Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very closely.
The center of the light lensing through the space neighboring the galaxy clusters and the center of the galaxy clusters themselves is offset due to the galaxy clusters moving through and displacing the superfluid dark matter, analogous to submarines moving through and displacing the water.
The state of displacement of the superfluid dark matter connected to and neighboring the galaxy clusters is referred to geometrically as curved spacetime .
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Objectively , Dark Matter is substance that is not reflecting light or emitting light, Dark energy is the ''super fluid'' that is the spacial fabric of space-time. However fluid is a rather poor term for a field.
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The assumption of dark matter as a superfluid is not universally accepted at this point and as such cannot be taken as a fact.
Regarding the (false) claim that dark matter is smoothly distributed made above see the following article
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Study_Dark_matter_may_be_more_smoothly_distributed_throughout_cosmos_999.html
which states
New analysis of a phenomenon known as cosmic shear suggests dark matter is less dense and more evenly -- or smoothly -- distributed throughout space.
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Cosmic shear is a type of gravitational lensing, the subtle warping of light waves emitted by distant galaxies as they travel past, around and through large clumps of cosmic matter, like galaxy clusters.
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The latest findings aren't necessarily superior to those of ESA's survey, but reveal the necessity for further exploration of cosmic shear and the distribution of matter. The findings will also force astronomers to rethink a variety of cosmic models.
This makes it clear that (1) the distribution of dark matter that is smoother is on the cosmic scale, not locally. Dark matter is postulated to exist because of galaxy rotation curves imply a 1/r^2 dependence in galaxies, i.e. locally
The OP has made three serious mistakes (1) that the research is about the local scale and (2) that it refers to dark matter being smoothly distributed whereas it only speaks of it as being smoother that previously thought and (3) that it over rides the previous results, i.e. the ESA's survey.
the box - You don't appear to know what spacetime is, i.e. how its defined. Please don't try to redefine physics terms.
By definiton - Spacetime is the manifold consisting of all events where an event is a location in space at an instant in time.
Thus dark matter is not spacetime. There can clearly be regions of space where no dark matter exists contrary to your claim. One example of what dark matter might consist of are black holes. Clearly there are places where there are no black holes and dark matter is not smooth locally.
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FYI - I contacted a cosmologist friend of mine at MIT. He said that the assertion that dark matter is more smoothly distributed than previously thought is largely being ignored. They know best since its what they do.
Don't be fooled by every paper and research you see. Science requires that things be out there for a while and studied and verified before being accepted. Otherwise it'd be chaos
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The assumption of dark matter as a superfluid is not universally accepted at this point and as such cannot be taken as a fact.
Regarding the (false) claim that dark matter is smoothly distributed made above see the following article
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Study_Dark_matter_may_be_more_smoothly_distributed_throughout_cosmos_999.html
which states
New analysis of a phenomenon known as cosmic shear suggests dark matter is less dense and more evenly -- or smoothly -- distributed throughout space.
...
Cosmic shear is a type of gravitational lensing, the subtle warping of light waves emitted by distant galaxies as they travel past, around and through large clumps of cosmic matter, like galaxy clusters.
...
The latest findings aren't necessarily superior to those of ESA's survey, but reveal the necessity for further exploration of cosmic shear and the distribution of matter. The findings will also force astronomers to rethink a variety of cosmic models.
This makes it clear that (1) the distribution of dark matter that is smoother is on the cosmic scale, not locally. Dark matter is postulated to exist because of galaxy rotation curves imply a 1/r^2 dependence in galaxies, i.e. locally
The OP has made three serious mistakes (1) that the research is about the local scale and (2) that it refers to dark matter being smoothly distributed whereas it only speaks of it as being smoother that previously thought and (3) that it over rides the previous results, i.e. the ESA's survey.
the box - You don't appear to know what spacetime is, i.e. how its defined. Please don't try to redefine physics terms.
By definiton - Spacetime is the manifold consisting of all events where an event is a location in space at an instant in time.
Thus dark matter is not spacetime. There can clearly be regions of space where no dark matter exists contrary to your claim. One example of what dark matter might consist of are black holes. Clearly there are places where there are no black holes and dark matter is not smooth locally.
Huh? I did not say that.
I said if you turned the lights off, the objects in the dark are then dark matter. I then said if you removed all the matter from space you would be left with light but ''see'' it as dark energy which is a field.
Quite clearly you misunderstood what I ''said''.
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I previously posted this in the Physics, Astronomy and Cosmology forum without realizing that it was more appropriate to submit to this forum. I apologize for that oversight.
I have considered this myself for quite some time, but I also consider myself a simple man of simple mind and this solution that dark matter can be considered as a physical fabric or super-fluid, if one takes the time to afford it due consideration, is quite elegant in its simplicity.
I would argue that if the fabric of space-time is a physical substance (which I believe it to be), then as a galaxy placed within that fabric rotates, the fabric would be drawn in upon itself similar to objects placed on/in any other spinning fabric. Spin a washcloth in a bath tub and watch what happens. It's pulled in on itself. The rotating fabric drawing those objects inward could then account for the perceived gravitational effects of "dark matter" while the curving of the fabric caused by the objects in the galaxies account for their local orbital behavior. Light would still follow the path of the curve in the fabric of space-time caused by the gravitational mass of the object in the field.
This also makes sense if we choose to abandon the idea that "dark energy" exists to make up the other 70+% of the universe, accept a previously proposed "tired light" theory and reconsider the existence of the ether which was "proven wrong" by the Michelson-Morely experiment. The problem I have with this experiment is they were looking for differences in the speed at which light propagates through a vacuum due to the Earth's motion relative to the ether prior to the revolutionary discovery by Einstein that the speed of light measures the same value regardless of the motion of the source or observer. They were essentially looking for a result which Physics only later revealed could not have occurred. However, I have worked out a mathematical result that indicates a linear relationship between the amount of red shift which would occur for light with a wavelength of 400 nm to near infrared based on the distance of the light source which agrees with observed data and that amount of shift occurs at a distance of 13.7 BLY from the Earth. "Dark energy" is simply the loss of energy of a light source over astronomical distances because light must continue to travel the speed of light and now "dark matter" can make up 100% of the universe with a varied distribution not because it does exist some places but not others but rather because the amount of curvature space-time experiences varies with the presence of mass. You'll observe more dark matter near galaxies because the have greater mass.
Obviously this goes against the currently most accepted paradigms of science. I deliberately say "most accepted" rather than "correct" because we have seen on many occasions where brilliant minds were often wrong. Unfortunately, I don't believe this model of the universe will ever be a provable theory because, as was stated in an earlier post, dark matter appears to be measurable where as the fabric of space-time cannot be. It would be like asking a fish to measure that it's wet and the only way to do so is take the fish out of the water. Because we cannot (presently) "get out of" the fabric of space time, we will never be able to take an external measurement of it. It is not some abstract mathematical construct which allows us to explain the behavior of the universe. It is a physical fabric which affects the observed behavior of physical objects.
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Thanks for putting this here, I've removed it from the physics section for you.
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I previously posted this in the Physics, Astronomy and Cosmology forum without realizing that it was more appropriate to submit to this forum. I apologize for that oversight.
I have considered this myself for quite some time, but I also consider myself a simple man of simple mind and this solution that dark matter can be considered as a physical fabric or super-fluid, if one takes the time to afford it due consideration, is quite elegant in its simplicity.
I would argue that if the fabric of space-time is a physical substance (which I believe it to be), then as a galaxy placed within that fabric rotates, the fabric would be drawn in upon itself similar to objects placed on/in any other spinning fabric. Spin a washcloth in a bath tub and watch what happens. It's pulled in on itself. The rotating fabric drawing those objects inward could then account for the perceived gravitational effects of "dark matter" while the curving of the fabric caused by the objects in the galaxies account for their local orbital behavior. Light would still follow the path of the curve in the fabric of space-time caused by the gravitational mass of the object in the field.
This also makes sense if we choose to abandon the idea that "dark energy" exists to make up the other 70+% of the universe, accept a previously proposed "tired light" theory and reconsider the existence of the ether which was "proven wrong" by the Michelson-Morely experiment. The problem I have with this experiment is they were looking for differences in the speed at which light propagates through a vacuum due to the Earth's motion relative to the ether prior to the revolutionary discovery by Einstein that the speed of light measures the same value regardless of the motion of the source or observer. They were essentially looking for a result which Physics only later revealed could not have occurred. However, I have worked out a mathematical result that indicates a linear relationship between the amount of red shift which would occur for light with a wavelength of 400 nm to near infrared based on the distance of the light source which agrees with observed data and that amount of shift occurs at a distance of 13.7 BLY from the Earth. "Dark energy" is simply the loss of energy of a light source over astronomical distances because light must continue to travel the speed of light and now "dark matter" can make up 100% of the universe with a varied distribution not because it does exist some places but not others but rather because the amount of curvature space-time experiences varies with the presence of mass. You'll observe more dark matter near galaxies because the have greater mass.
Obviously this goes against the currently most accepted paradigms of science. I deliberately say "most accepted" rather than "correct" because we have seen on many occasions where brilliant minds were often wrong. Unfortunately, I don't believe this model of the universe will ever be a provable theory because, as was stated in an earlier post, dark matter appears to be measurable where as the fabric of space-time cannot be. It would be like asking a fish to measure that it's wet and the only way to do so is take the fish out of the water. Because we cannot (presently) "get out of" the fabric of space time, we will never be able to take an external measurement of it. It is not some abstract mathematical construct which allows us to explain the behavior of the universe. It is a physical fabric which affects the observed behavior of physical objects.
Pretty good but you are avoiding the energy issue of what moves the electrons. The fabric has to be made up of points in a 3d universe. Those points are what the MMX was looking for as static. They ignored the energy issue also. The points if they were spinning would be a cause of electron motion and be beyond the critics of the MMX non matrix of any type. The MMX did not negate that type of Aether. The spinning points at c would create relativity and the observations. It would even act like strings. I have a pattern that moves electrons as a helix and uses dilation of points and resistance in less dilated space to show the affects of gravity.
To change the mind of the collective is a herculean feat at best. Emotion trumps logic as the US president proves every day.
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This Dark Matter Theory Could Solve a Celestial Conundrum (https://www.wired.com/story/this-dark-matter-theory-could-solve-a-celestial-conundrum/)
our galaxy is swimming in a superfluid sea
Dark Matter More Ubiquitous Than We Ever Thought (https://www.inverse.com/article/24863-dark-matter-might-be-smoother-than-we-thought)
dark matter is smooth, distributed more evenly throughout space than we thought
Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University, had this to say: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_theories#Quantum_vacuum)
the empty vacuum of space … is filled with 'stuff'
Laughlin’s ‘stuff’ is the smoothly distributed superfluid sea which fills ‘empty’ space that is displaced by ordinary matter.
Einstein: Ether and Relativity (http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Extras/Einstein_ether.html)
According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there would be no propagation of light
Einstein’s ether is the smoothly distributed superfluid sea which fills ‘empty’ space that is displaced by ordinary matter.
the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places
The state of the superfluid sea at every place determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the superfluid sea in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the superfluid sea.
NASA's Gravity Probe B Confirms Two Einstein Space-Time Theories (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/gpb/gpb_results.html)
Imagine the Earth as if it were immersed in honey. As the planet rotates, the honey around it would swirl, and it's the same with space and time
Honey has mass and so does the superfluid sea. The swirl is the state of displacement of the superfluid sea connected to and neighboring the Earth.
The superfluid sea displaced by the Earth pushing back and exerting pressure toward the Earth is gravity. What is referred to geometrically as curved spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the superfluid sea. The state of displacement of the superfluid sea is gravity.
The superfluid sea is likely a sea of massive dark photons which are displaced by the ordinary matter.
Glenn Randall talks about dark matter (https://asunow.asu.edu/20160624-glenn-randall-talks-about-dark-matter-popular-mechanics)
dark matter might interact with itself via some yet unknown dark force … the particles could be something we call dark photons … the dark photon would have mass
The massive dark photons displaced by the Earth pushing back and exerting pressure toward the Earth is gravity. What is referred to geometrically as curved spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the massive dark photons. The state of displacement of the massive dark photons is gravity.
The state of displacement of the sea of massive dark photons is the quantization of gravity.
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The state of displacement of the sea of massive dark photons is the quantization of gravity.
Consider dilation of mass rather than displacement. Moving the points further away from each other. This creates longer frequencies in the presence of mass for the electron to jump creating a wave.