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Phractality, I'm not sure what you are talking about there?'Instantaneous transmission' of what?
And using the name ether might make people think that it is a accepted description.
It's not, and for the same reason that we don't find any 'resistance' to lights propagation, as tested uncountable times.
A 'entanglement' is about something being 'identical' and somehow connected outside the boundaries light puts on the rest of us. And one of the really big premises it still follows is that there is no way to use it for sending usable information. If that one would be shown to be wrong though? But I don't think it has, as far as I know?
It would be interesting if you could inject 'energy' in a entanglement though by 'observing' its state. Then we would have to discuss if you could see that as information. And to me it would be as you might find a way to utilize that 'new energy'. As well as it would make some problems for the conservation laws I think, as we then actually would have 'doubled' the 'energy' by our way of observing.
---So you are one of those (many) people who don't believe in General Relativity? If you don't want to simply "believe", you have only one solution: to study physics. Then you will be able to say which theory is better. Before you know physics well, you can't say a lot...---I'm sorry,,but i dont have read 18-19centuryes physics,,do i have?,,i can tell my thoughts what i have observe this world,,without knowing some mathematical formulaes,hmm,,i make image what i meant, hope that it help this conversation.
Quote from: Heikki Rinnemaa on 26/03/2011 05:05:20---So you are one of those (many) people who don't believe in General Relativity? If you don't want to simply "believe", you have only one solution: to study physics. Then you will be able to say which theory is better. Before you know physics well, you can't say a lot...---I'm sorry,,but i dont have read 18-19centuryes physics,,do i have?,,i can tell my thoughts what i have observe this world,,without knowing some mathematical formulaes,hmm,,i make image what i meant, hope that it help this conversation.And what that picture should mean?
It means to say thatIf room where is no any matter then in that room cannot- exist radiowaves- exist forces, like gravitationMeans that room where is basic-matter in that room then can- exist radiowaves, matter-vibration- exist forces, matter motionIn this basic-matter can then planets, satellites, travell, and also we can send radiowaves, etc, and also example sun heat so that it can send photos, etc ,particles round on it.
Hi.It means to say thatIf room where is no any matter then in that room cannot- exist radiowaves- exist forces, like gravitationMeans that room where is basic-matter in that room then can- exist radiowaves, matter-vibration- exist forces, matter motionIn this basic-matter can then planets, satellites, travell, and also we can send radiowaves, etc, and also example sun heat so that it can send photos, etc ,particles round on it.
Since Heikki obviously is not fluent in English, and since I think I agree with him, I'll try to translate. I think he's saying that neither matter nor waves can move without having a medium in which to exist. I call that medium ether. For me, e/m waves (photons) propagate like acoustic shear waves in the ether
Some summary points regards progress on the question so farvvvvvvvvvv THE QUESTION vvvvvvvvvv1) It remains unanswered why the universal speed limit, c, has the magnitude it has and is not a little higher or lower (or even a lot).^^^^^^^^^^ THE QUESTION ^^^^^^^^^^2) the question is not about the units used to measure c, but the magnitude of the value itself.3) c is known to be related to the permeability and permitivity of free space, but this only begs the question what defines these?3) Some discussion is that the magnitude of c may relate to a property of free space called vacuum potential.4) A recent chinese experiment was cited which is leading to some talk of a "quantum ether". 5) The use of the word "ether" is noted to elicit negative skepticism in many. However it was noted that even Einstein did not see the famed Michelson-Morley experiment as disproving the existence of ether. Also that relativity would have prevented that experiment from detecting ether (as the speed of the photons is unaffected by the change in speed of the physical equipment).6) quantum teleportation MAY in some way (I don;t understand myself) provide evidence of a kind for a "free space property" that relates to c, possibly also constituting an "quantum ether".also7) some people with their own theories trying to communicate them. some speculation about the moon... ...not sure what's going on there :-)I also add thata) the speed of light is limited by (non vacuum) mediums through which it travels, and thus understanding causes of refraction may provide further clues about the properties of vacuum?b) The Casimir experiment may be explained by vacuum potential, pairs of particles forming and anihilating within the limits of HUP.c) this may also be linked to a question on entanlglement I have raised separately
2) the question is not about the units used to measure c, but the magnitude of the value itself.
3) c is known to be related to the permeability and permitivity of free space, but this only begs the question what defines these?
3) Some discussion is that the magnitude of c may relate to a property of free space called vacuum potential.4) A recent chinese experiment was cited which is leading to some talk of a "quantum ether". 5) The use of the word "ether" is noted to elicit negative skepticism in many. However it was noted that even Einstein did not see the famed Michelson-Morley experiment as disproving the existence of ether. Also that relativity would have prevented that experiment from detecting ether (as the speed of the photons is unaffected by the change in speed of the physical equipment).6) quantum teleportation MAY in some way (I don;t understand myself) provide evidence of a kind for a "free space property" that relates to c, possibly also constituting an "quantum ether".
I also add thata) the speed of light is limited by (non vacuum) mediums through which it travels, and thus understanding causes of refraction may provide further clues about the properties of vacuum?
b) The Casimir experiment may be explained by vacuum potential, pairs of particles forming and anihilating within the limits of HUP.