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General Science => General Science => Topic started by: TRUE on 31/07/2006 16:53:39
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I JUST NEED TO NO WHY IS EVERYONE CHEATING ON THEAR PARTNERS.NO ONE IS HONEST
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not everyone is.
im honest. if i cheat on you, i let you know. : )
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Hmmm, wow! Why do you "accuse" us who believe in not cheating as cheaters...okay, I have no partner now...but did not cheat...and when you say cheat...in what reference are you making the assumptive one? There are many ways to cheat and not just sexually...
"Lo" Loretta
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I am not saying that women don't cheat, as figures are much higher now than before. A recent survey in th U.K. show that men cheat more often if the opportunity arose and especially if they thought they couldn't be found out.
Love you lots
Helena xxx
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I don't have a partner to cheat on – so that counts me out.
George
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Originally posted by TRUE
I JUST NEED TO NO WHY IS EVERYONE CHEATING ON THEAR PARTNERS.NO ONE IS HONEST
[:0]How could she ,I'll kill her. [:)]
Michael
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Its okay Michael....just forgive her and make up!
"Lo" Loretta
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Yes mummy :)
Michael
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Good boy Michael! There is something about you Michael's...okay, maybe I am a bit biased here! hehe
"Lo" Loretta
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Originally posted by TRUE
I JUST NEED TO NO WHY IS EVERYONE CHEATING ON THEAR PARTNERS.NO ONE IS HONEST
" according to anthropologist Helen Fisher, in an interview with ABC News' "Good Morning America," Fisher said human beings are among 3 percent of the world's 4,000 species of mammals pre-programmed for monogamy.
"First of all, 75 percent of men do not cheat, and 85 percent of women do not cheat," said Fisher. "The brain is built for pair bonding." "
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=970035&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
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but not life-long monogamy, the much more observed action in humans is serial monogamy
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Interesting info Robert, true lil gecko!
"Lo" Loretta
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Monogamy, isn't that a type of tropical hardwood [:)].
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LOL
Love you lots
Helena xxx
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Originally posted by ROBERT
Monogamy, isn't that a type of tropical hardwood [:)].
That probably depends on the randiness of the wood.
[}:)]
The mind is like a parachute. It works best when open. -- A. Einstein
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Originally posted by TRUE
I JUST NEED TO NO WHY IS EVERYONE CHEATING ON THEAR PARTNERS.NO ONE IS HONEST
You say this because you don't know russian women.
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Hmmmmmmmmmm...Russian women !!..
..hmmmmm...in fact ALL women...hmmmmmmmmmmmm !!
I suspect TRUE has had his/hers feelings crushed by an unfaithful partner !!
Men are the same as women, just inside out !
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Fact based on what???? Nationality has nothing to do with the behavior of people who want or don't want to cheat...notice the word "want" not need, choose, or have to? There is the want factor....they want to, they will take their guilt and switch out with the partner they are with and say you don't give me enough, so "I need it" They make a choice...which in everything we do consciously or subconsciously we make a choice "to do it" There is no "well, I have to do it" I have heard people say, "well, he is a man" he has to do it??? No, he or she does not have to do it for whatever reason....nationality, religion, etc..you still choose it...it is not in your dna either...
"Lo" Loretta
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Originally posted by moonfire
Fact based on what???? Nationality has nothing to do with the behavior of people who want or don't want to cheat...notice the word "want" not need, choose, or have to? There is the want factor....they want to, they will take their guilt and switch out with the partner they are with and say you don't give me enough, so "I need it" They make a choice...which in everything we do consciously or subconsciously we make a choice "to do it" There is no "well, I have to do it" I have heard people say, "well, he is a man" he has to do it??? No, he or she does not have to do it for whatever reason....nationality, religion, etc..you still choose it...it is not in your dna either...
"Lo" Loretta
Yes, I agree with you Loretta. Every person is unique.
It's only the result of my personal experience: every ~ 10 russian women I have met, only one were correct with me. Of course it could depend on me, on situations ecc. However, It's because I have always thought that every person is different, that I have always given trust to russian women, that they always deceived me...I really did not want to accept the assertion I made about them, but, after many years, I'm forced from scientific evidence into it.
I would be Very happy to know that it was only a coincidence. Please, you russian woman reading this, show me that the reality is different.
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Originally posted by lightarrow
Yes, I agree with you Loretta. Every person is unique.
It's only the result of my personal experience: every ~ 10 russian women I have met, only one were correct with me. Of course it could depend on me, on situations ecc. However, It's because I have always thought that every person is different, that I have always given trust to russian women, that they always deceived me...I really did not want to accept the assertion I made about them, but, after many years, I'm forced from scientific evidence into it.
I would be Very happy to know that it was only a coincidence. Please, you russian woman reading this, show me that the reality is different.
In what context have you met Russian women?
Bear in mind that in all likelihood all of the Russian women you met were of a common type, in a common context. I am sure that there are millions of Russian women whom you have never met because they are the type of women who choose not to move in the circles in which you have met your Russian women. They may all live quietly with their families back home, and being very family oriented, they may not necessarily make themselves as visible to foreigners.
I have never myself been to Russia (would love to go some day, but never have been). All of the Russian women I am likely to meet are tourists, or migrant workers. Tourists may well come with their families, but migrant workers will general people who place their own wealth creation and sense of adventure above remaining within their family circle – they will all have something in common that makes them different to the women who stayed at home.
George
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Women are not human....women...are Women !! [:)]
I never met a woman I never liked !!....I have been to Moscow and in the capacity that I experienced Russian women they were lovely....and the men were nice too....would love to go back there one day.
Lifhtarrow...I too (like George) would be very interested to know in what capacity have you had contact with Russian women......in business ?...pleasure ?
Men are the same as women, just inside out !
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Originally posted by TRUE
I JUST NEED TO NO WHY IS EVERYONE CHEATING ON THEAR PARTNERS.NO ONE IS HONEST
This brings up a perfect oppertunity for me to vent through the internet about certain things. I have to say, me and my two good friends have just about given up. We are now finally at the conclusion that all men are the same, with the same intentions.
My friends and I have recently become quite the groupies if you will haha...following this band to their gigs and parties. Finally... finally, we thought here are the few nice men in the world. And I honestly thought that the bandmembers were so nice...i honestly thought that we were valued as their fans and friends. but i am wrong. these few people that i cared so much about, most likely dont even know who i am or what my name was. and i also find out that they have just been sleeping around. i just can't believe i actually thought there were good men to be found. the one band member, said he was single because his last girlfriend cheated on him and he wasn't ready to be in a relationship after that. and i actually believed this? that was a lie. this guy is going around sleeping with everyone. and i was blind. so blind.
It's really absurd to think how I can care about and love some people sooo much, and yet I am absolutely nothing to them.
NO ONE IS HONEST.
thats the truth. and i am left to think that love just doesn't really exist because men can be so selfish and only care about sex. and i've only explained half of it.
ok well now that i got all of that out! i feel much better haha.
ohhh
however!
please let me make it clear when i say "men" i suppose this is only in reference to certain guys. not everybody!
coincidently after all of these feelings...i have been back on the forum.
everyone on here is soo nice and grateful.
this is such a change from the people i usually interact with.
it's really opened my eyes that not all men have the same selfish intentions.
[:D]
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi11.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa196%2Fbariel%2Ffsm.jpg&hash=27b1c6663feeeee1f95650d42cca0927) ariel
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Originally posted by neilep
Lifhtarrow...I too (like George) would be very interested to know in what capacity have you had contact with Russian women......in business ?...pleasure ?
I met some russian (and Ukrainian, they are worse than russian) women in their country, contacted through internet, and some of them, (as you say, another-someone), in nights.
I know I couldn't judge russian women taking a sample of them in a night, but, believe me, many russian women are BORN to make that work in the worst way (for people like me); some of them are BORN to lie WITH THEIR SOULS and not only with their words; I'm not a stupid man, I had deep relationships with several kinds of women, from Italy and from other countries.
Now I could write a book about the average russian woman's psychology and personality, as well as other nationalities women.
I repeat, I absolutely believe that every person is unique and that judging in a generalized way, as I'm doing now, it's always bad, and what I say doesn't prevent me to accept a real friendship or relationship with a russian woman.
But russian women made me feel so deeply bad, that I HAVE to say these things, at least because of a sense of "soul universal justice".
Believe me, it's very difficult to find an italian woman (for example) able to play with a man's feelings in that way. I have some ideas of why they can do it.
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Lightarrow,
I am deeply sorry how your perception of Russian women has been tainted by your experiences.
Was this contact through some agency of sorts ? I know they exist and I just wonder if you have unfortunately succumbed to some form of professional deception.
It does seem too much of coincidence from all your experiences that they should be soiled like this ! It's clear that your time with them has indeed hurt you terribly.
It's unfortunate that in this case communicating, with these women via the internet is the only viable way for you to conduct the commencement of a relationship, and it seems that the women you have met have latched onto this method as a form of corruption with 'love ' as the last intent.
You say you have some ideas as to why they do it....could you elaborate ?
Men are the same as women, just inside out !
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Originally posted by lightarrow
I met some russian (and Ukrainian, they are worse than russian) women in their country, contacted through internet, and some of them, (as you say, another-someone), in nights.
I know I couldn't judge russian women taking a sample of them in a night, but, believe me, many russian women are BORN to make that work in the worst way (for people like me); some of them are BORN to lie WITH THEIR SOULS and not only with their words; I'm not a stupid man, I had deep relationships with several kinds of women, from Italy and from other countries.
Now I could write a book about the average russian woman's psychology and personality, as well as other nationalities women.
I would very much doubt that the women you met could by any stretch of the imagination be regarded as 'average'. If you had met Italian women in the same context, would you regard those women as average for Italian women?
I think the problem arises with the kind of women you expected to meet in such an environment (no matter what their nationality),
You said earlier that you would like to believe it was merely coincidence; from what I read into your posts (and I may be misinterpreting them), I don't think it is so much a matter of accidental coincidence as about context.
If you want to meet ordinary people, then you meet them in ordinary situations, not in contrived situations (and it certainly helps if you can speak to them in their own language, but this is ofcourse not something that is always practical).
Insofar as comparing Russian to Ukrainian, I think the simplest comparison to make is in their relative poverty (although this is a constantly changing issue), and thus the relative desperation of a few to escape that poverty. Nonetheless, it is only a few who will be driven to such extremes as to sell themselves (whether overtly or indirectly) for a chance of a better life in the West.
George
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Originally posted by ariel
coincidently after all of these feelings...i have been back on the forum.
everyone on here is soo nice and grateful.
this is such a change from the people i usually interact with.
it's really opened my eyes that not all men have the same selfish intentions.
How very nice to hear [:)][:)]
Well, I am selfish – I like other people to be happy, because it makes my world a happier place – that's selfish of me.
Ofcourse, I realise you were commenting on everyone in the list, not simply me - and I have no wish to usurp their credit in this, but I for myself, it is still nice that you think that of us.
George
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Women who cheat can only attract wimpy, p_ussy men.
Only one woman ever cheated on me. I quickly found out who it was. The woman and I went on a Sunday drive. I dumped her off at the house of the guy she was screwing. She was surprised and shocked I found out so fast. (without a 'cheaters' tv show lol). I left her to account with the cheater's wife who was also there. I dumped her off and never returned.
The best, honest women are my ex-girlfriends because they learned consequences.
A real man is aware of cheating and does not tolerate it. Cheating women can only attract boys not men. [:D]
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Originally posted by B_Sharp
Women who cheat can only attract wimpy, p_ussy men.
A real man is aware of cheating and does not tolerate it. Cheating women can only attract boys not men. [:D]
This is exactly what most russian girls actually think.
I said "girls" not "women".
They change idea after having lived some years with the man they wanted, and they divorce. Then they become women.
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Originally posted by neilep
Lightarrow,
I am deeply sorry how your perception of Russian women has been tainted by your experiences.
Was this contact through some agency of sorts ? I know they exist and I just wonder if you have unfortunately succumbed to some form of professional deception.
It does seem too much of coincidence from all your experiences that they should be soiled like this ! It's clear that your time with them has indeed hurt you terribly.
It's unfortunate that in this case communicating, with these women via the internet is the only viable way for you to conduct the commencement of a relationship, and it seems that the women you have met have latched onto this method as a form of corruption with 'love ' as the last intent.
You say you have some ideas as to why they do it....could you elaborate ?
Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Thank you for your sorry, Neil. The real problem is that I'm too much romantic and looking for a True Love. This is felt as an opportunity of deceiving me, for some bad women, any nationality. It's only that a lot of russian women have a sort of "specific university degree" for this.
I contacted only one of them through a marriage agency, and the story didn't end well. I would prefer not to go into details, because I felt very bad for it. The agency, at least, was not serious, because, according to what the girl told me, it was a "friend" of her who sold her address and photos to the agency.
I contacted the others through internet free advising.
This is one of my ideas as to why many russian women behave that way:
They believe to belong to a superior race, just because they are russians, and they don't have respect for "inferior beings". You won't easily discover this belief inside of them. In addition, a man really able to fall in love for them and to have romantic feelings, it's not a real man, in their vision. Of course, what they say and what they really make you feel at the beginning, is the opposite.
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Originally posted by another_someone
I would very much doubt that the women you met could by any stretch of the imagination be regarded as 'average'. If you had met Italian women in the same context, would you regard those women as average for Italian women?
A I said, I'm aware of it, you are perfectly right. But I also have met italian women there, as well as women from other countries. All of them are able to say lies to men for money, it's their job; but when they understand they could really hurt a man, they are quite honest with him, at least they were with me. Always. Russian women don't have such problems, at all. I know of men who have lost family, work, all of their money, because of a russian woman; I know of others who killed themselves.
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I think the problem arises with the kind of women you expected to meet in such an environment (no matter what their nationality)
This is also true. I then stopped going there.quote:
Insofar as comparing Russian to Ukrainian, I think the simplest comparison to make is in their relative poverty (although this is a constantly changing issue), and thus the relative desperation of a few to escape that poverty. Nonetheless, it is only a few who will be driven to such extremes as to sell themselves (whether overtly or indirectly) for a chance of a better life in the West.
They are able to deceive men, just because there are men who thinks exactly this. They are perfectly aware of the power this can give them.
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Originally posted by gecko
im honest. if i cheat on you, i let you know. : )
Honesty has no room here,u should completely avoid it
lets keep trying the untried since the birth of science innovations have been like toy but their impacts have rocked the world
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Originally posted by ariel
We are now finally at the conclusion that all men are the same, with the same intentions.
My friends and I have recently become quite the groupies if you will haha...following this band to their gigs and parties. Finally... finally, we thought here are the few nice men in the world. And I honestly thought that the bandmembers were so nice...i honestly thought that we were valued as their fans and friends. but i am wrong. these few people that i cared so much about, most likely dont even know who i am or what my name was. and i also find out that they have just been sleeping around. i just can't believe i actually thought there were good men to be found.
It's really absurd to think how I can care about and love some people sooo much, and yet I am absolutely nothing to them.
NO ONE IS HONEST.
thats the truth. and i am left to think that love just doesn't really exist because men can be so selfish and only care about sex. and i've only explained half of it.
ok well now that i got all of that out! i feel much better haha.
ohhh
however!
please let me make it clear when i say "men" i suppose this is only in reference to certain guys. not everybody!
coincidently after all of these feelings...i have been back on the forum.
everyone on here is soo nice and grateful.
this is such a change from the people i usually interact with.
it's really opened my eyes that not all men have the same selfish intentions.
[:D]
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi11.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa196%2Fbariel%2Ffsm.jpg&hash=27b1c6663feeeee1f95650d42cca0927) ariel
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Ariel, morphologically every being is deceptive, with this deceptive nature the bad ones capitalizes on it to pretend incognito of what they are not. That is why it is advisable to observe ones attitude over a time before making anything serious out of it.
Moreover, the remaining half why not let's share knowledge from it.
lets keep trying the untried since the birth of science innovations have been like toy but their impacts have rocked the world
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Originally posted by gecko
im honest. if i cheat on you, i let you know. : )
Honesty has no room here,u should completely avoid it
lets keep trying the untried since the birth of science innovations have been like toy but their impacts have rocked the world
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Originally posted by ariel
We are now finally at the conclusion that all men are the same, with the same intentions.
My friends and I have recently become quite the groupies if you will haha...following this band to their gigs and parties. Finally... finally, we thought here are the few nice men in the world. And I honestly thought that the bandmembers were so nice...i honestly thought that we were valued as their fans and friends. but i am wrong. these few people that i cared so much about, most likely dont even know who i am or what my name was. and i also find out that they have just been sleeping around. i just can't believe i actually thought there were good men to be found.
It's really absurd to think how I can care about and love some people sooo much, and yet I am absolutely nothing to them.
NO ONE IS HONEST.
thats the truth. and i am left to think that love just doesn't really exist because men can be so selfish and only care about sex. and i've only explained half of it.
ok well now that i got all of that out! i feel much better haha.
ohhh
however!
please let me make it clear when i say "men" i suppose this is only in reference to certain guys. not everybody!
coincidently after all of these feelings...i have been back on the forum.
everyone on here is soo nice and grateful.
this is such a change from the people i usually interact with.
it's really opened my eyes that not all men have the same selfish intentions.
[:D]
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi11.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa196%2Fbariel%2Ffsm.jpg&hash=27b1c6663feeeee1f95650d42cca0927) ariel
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Ariel, morphologically every being is deceptive, with this deceptive nature the bad ones capitalizes on it to pretend incognito of what they are not. That is why it is advisable to observe ones attitude over a time before making anything serious out of it.
Moreover, the remaining half why not let's share knowledge from it.
lets keep trying the untried since the birth of science innovations have been like toy but their impacts have rocked the world
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Originally posted by gecko
im honest. if i cheat on you, i let you know. : )
Honesty has no room here,u should completely avoid it
lets keep trying the untried since the birth of science innovations have been like toy but their impacts have rocked the world
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Originally posted by ariel
We are now finally at the conclusion that all men are the same, with the same intentions.
My friends and I have recently become quite the groupies if you will haha...following this band to their gigs and parties. Finally... finally, we thought here are the few nice men in the world. And I honestly thought that the bandmembers were so nice...i honestly thought that we were valued as their fans and friends. but i am wrong. these few people that i cared so much about, most likely dont even know who i am or what my name was. and i also find out that they have just been sleeping around. i just can't believe i actually thought there were good men to be found.
It's really absurd to think how I can care about and love some people sooo much, and yet I am absolutely nothing to them.
NO ONE IS HONEST.
thats the truth. and i am left to think that love just doesn't really exist because men can be so selfish and only care about sex. and i've only explained half of it.
ok well now that i got all of that out! i feel much better haha.
ohhh
however!
please let me make it clear when i say "men" i suppose this is only in reference to certain guys. not everybody!
coincidently after all of these feelings...i have been back on the forum.
everyone on here is soo nice and grateful.
this is such a change from the people i usually interact with.
it's really opened my eyes that not all men have the same selfish intentions.
[:D]
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi11.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa196%2Fbariel%2Ffsm.jpg&hash=27b1c6663feeeee1f95650d42cca0927) ariel
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Ariel, morphologically every being is deceptive, with this deceptive nature the bad ones capitalizes on it to pretend incognito of what they are not. That is why it is advisable to observe ones attitude over a time before making anything serious out of it.
Moreover, the remaining half why not let's share knowledge from it.
lets keep trying the untried since the birth of science innovations have been like toy but their impacts have rocked the world
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you test drive many cars before choosing to buy just one correct? the logic of this surely applies?? lol
"You have to stay in shape. My grandmother, she started walking five miles a day when she was 60. She's 97 today and we don't know where the hell she is."
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also on a serious note it has been hypothesized that the brain detects these pheromones through an organ known as the vomeronasal organ (VNO), by receptors, or by the terminal nerve in the nostrils. Despite the fact that pheromones and how they are detected in humans is controversial, it has been suggested that selectivity for certain pheromones might explain why we are only attracted to certain people. guess thats why you cheat...you cant really tell chemicals to stop messing with your brain.....
"You have to stay in shape. My grandmother, she started walking five miles a day when she was 60. She's 97 today and we don't know where the hell she is."
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you test drive many cars before choosing to buy just one correct? the logic of this surely applies?? lol
"You have to stay in shape. My grandmother, she started walking five miles a day when she was 60. She's 97 today and we don't know where the hell she is."
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also on a serious note it has been hypothesized that the brain detects these pheromones through an organ known as the vomeronasal organ (VNO), by receptors, or by the terminal nerve in the nostrils. Despite the fact that pheromones and how they are detected in humans is controversial, it has been suggested that selectivity for certain pheromones might explain why we are only attracted to certain people. guess thats why you cheat...you cant really tell chemicals to stop messing with your brain.....
"You have to stay in shape. My grandmother, she started walking five miles a day when she was 60. She's 97 today and we don't know where the hell she is."
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Originally posted by weed4me
it has been suggested that selectivity for certain pheromones might explain why we are only attracted to certain people. guess thats why you cheat...you cant really tell chemicals to stop messing with your brain.....
The same could be said of much of human behaviour – the problem is the contradiction between the scientific/medical notion of the human brain as merely a biological process, and the philosophical concept of free will.
That we have biological processes that promote infidelity is without question – the question arises as to what are the contrary pathways that promote fidelity (since it is self-evident that while some people are unfaithful, others are not – so both possibilities must exist).
George