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Title: Is this a fair ontological explanation of Quanta?
Post by: MikeL on 25/10/2017 06:40:53
I have been reading Art Hobson's Tale of the Quantum, Understanding Physics Most Fundamental Theory, and in it he describes how the understanding of Quanta as a unit of energy came about. I want to suggest what that may look like if we modelled it and what a possible solution to the mind boggling quanta may be.

Background: The tale begins in 1900 during the study of blackbody radiation. The scientists predictions, based on linear graphs are suggesting readings that are much to high compared to what they are recording. Max Planck, working on his own problems finds a convenient work around is to quantize data.

If I visualise this, this is what I see that problem to be (see images below).

 
In image one (Quantum States) we have the different quanta energy levels (Q1-Q5). Each quanta must be a multiple of the base frequency. Thus we may have 'n', '2n', '3n'. We can't have '2.5n'.

Quanta works for calculations because when we put in the line that would be a continuous analogue line (rather than a digital quanta line) (see image Quantum States 2) we see all the extra values that have now been excluded (a-d). This would reduce the measurement readings.

This idea of quanta is difficult to accept because there appears to be no range value where energy can increment. This I believe is one of the major contentions between Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity. Quanta is either all one value or all the other.

So the question becomes what happens to smaller increments of energy when added to the system? Now this may reveal my total lack of understanding at this point, but I find it easy to explain this by placing this new sub quanta energy in a new energy dimension called E prime, and having that act continuously - as the diagram (Quantum States 3) shows.

Thus as the shells fill with energy, range can be established in the immeasurable E prime until at a certain point the multiple is reached and discharged.

This idea of an E prime energy also reappears in my idea of Dark Energy (although not by name) and can be used to explain the sudden movement of electrons between their quantized energy levels.

I am very curious to see what you think about this idea. E prime, could also be used to explain other apparently bizarre phenomenon, but for now I will hold those ideas.
Title: Re: Is this a fair ontological explanation of Quanta?
Post by: evan_au on 25/10/2017 10:35:36
Quote from: MikeL
So the question becomes what happens to smaller increments of energy when added to the system?
..the shells fill with energy,... until at a certain point the multiple is reached and discharged.
One of the inputs to quantum theory was Einstein's explanation of the Photoelectric Effect. This won him a Nobel prize.

Some people thought that light (as a wave) kept providing energy, until enough energy accumulated to eject an electron from the metal.

Einstein showed that light in fact comes in discrete energy packets. Either the energy is enough to eject an electron, or it is not. In this system, energy does not accumulate until enough energy builds up and eject an electron.

When you have macroscopic objects, energy can build up until something happens; but that continuous buildup of energy is due to the fact that you need an enormous number of quanta to make something happen, and the individual quanta are too small to measure, in comparison.

True quantum effects are easiest to see at the level of a single atom or smaller.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoelectric_effect
Title: Re: Is this a fair ontological explanation of Quanta?
Post by: jeffreyH on 25/10/2017 12:19:05
If you are going to challenge quantum mechanics first understand it.
Title: Re: Is this a fair ontological explanation of Quanta?
Post by: MikeL on 25/10/2017 12:47:51
OK, thanks. That's very interesting.