[Xogroroth (OP)]

Since the Dawn of Quantum Sciences, Homo tried to bring Quantum Sciences under Relativity and Physica.
Time and again, these Quantum Sciences effortlessly jumped the gun, boycotted each new try to "Relativise" these Quantum Sciences, sabotaging even the latest tries.
To tremendous frustration of the Theoretical Scientists.

But what if it was never meant to be under either Relativity and Physica?

Big Boinkers:
In a vast void of absolute nothing ... wait a second, it is not, nor ever was, a void of nothingness.
I mean, there was this with Quantum Energy filled beach ball called Singularity, no?
Doesn't this beach ball render the absolute nothingness invalid?
Hmmm .... *ponders*
Either way, not of importance here, thus, a void of not entirely absolute nothingness, since, in it, a nice shiny beach ball called Singularity filled with nice Quantum Energies.

At some point, the ball became, I think, tired, and broke ... that, or, this Quantum Energy became too big to be housed in that beach ball and broke free.
Whatever the reason or case (also not important to our tale here) ... .
Now, before this moment, and up to the very first moment the Quantum Energy began to break free, there was no Relativity.
Nor was there Physics.
Can't be, as, there was nothing to be "physical" or "relative" about.
Simple logical deduction.
I) Do you agree: Y - N ?
If no, please state why, so I can see the reason of your disagreement, thank you.

If you agreed, we'll continue:
So, no Relativity, no Physica, however, there IS Quantum Energy!
Still in this shiny ball or egg, whichever you prefer, but it is there.
And it breaks free ... and the moment it did ...
Time was born (there was no time before this very moment), Space was born (as it expanded -depending whom you ask, from 1/3^rd the volume of our current Universe, up to 3/4^th the volume of our Universe).
Then a ton of happenings come to be, which triggered the first Physics and Relativistic events.
II) Agreed, still? Y- N.
I know it's very simplistic, but in simplicity lies -or so I hope- truth.
If you do not agree, please explain why, thank you.

IF you still agreed, we can now do a dead-simple deduction, which will tell us something quite interesting:
1) Before ANYTHING, there was a ball/egg that held Quantum Energy, thus, no Physica nor Relativity.
Agreed? Y - N. (If no, please tell why. Thank you.)

2) If you still agree:
Up to the very moment, it broke free ... there was STILL no Physica nor Relativity!
And even up to a few Plank Moments ... past the point of Matter-Antimatter Self-Annihilation, Inflation, ... , up to the point where the first matter is born, from which the first Gen 3 stars are going to become, there's not much Relativity, nor much Physics.
Agreed? Y - N. (If no, please tell why. Thank you.)

3) Now, IF you're still in agreement:
We can conclude, that both Physics and Relativity were born out of Quantum Energy, literally though indirect:
Through (inter)actions and their consequences and causalities of various variables.
Correct? Y - N. (If no, please tell why. Thank you.)

When still in agreement:
We deducted, that Quantum Energy, and this -what is DIRECTLY tied to it- Quantum Sciences, predated both Relativity and Physica.

Now, why would someone try to bring a PARENT Law-/rule set and consequential Science Skills/Fields under in CHILD or CONSEQUENTIAL (and thus lower in grade and power) Law-/Rule Sets and their consequential Science Skills/Fields?
This does not make sense at all, as I can see it.

Actually, I think, we need to leave Quantum Sciences alone, on themselves, autonomous, RELATED but UNTIED from Physica and Relativity?
See these 2 (P and R) as totally separated from QS?
OR, try to bring these two under in their PARENT and preceding Force/Science Skill/field: Quantum Science.

It would be far more plausible to bring a Child Law (or 2, in our specific addressed case) under in it's Parent, preceding Law.

IF we all agreed up to point 3), it is "clear" that our current ideology is flawed.
Quantum Energy and it's consequential Science Fields, is not Physica nor Relativity compatible.
Can't be, I think, due to the simple fact, that, without QE, P nor R would have existed.
While QE COULD exist ... no, DID exist, in fact, without either P or R!!!
Thus: even if both P and R would vanish for whatever reason, QE will still be around, doing it's own thing, by it's own Laws and Rules, not even for the slightest bothering our ideas, our wishes, our needs for QE to obey P and R.

Let's take a car accident as analogy:
The car crashing = P and R.
The creation of the car, then, = Quantum Energies and it's Skills/Sciences.
Yes, crazy, this analogy, but hang on please.
The car crashing was only possible due to it been created, logical.
It's creation, then is NOT responsible for it's demise, is it?
It is related, indirectly: not created = not able of being crashed, right?
But whether or not the car will crash, it's creation ... is independent from this factor, the crash ... is NOT related to it's creation!

In other words:
Whether either P or R exists or not, it will not affect QE/QS!
But the way around ... is very problematic.

My personal conclusion is:
We should leave QE/QS alone, by itself, on itself.
MAYBE look into the opposite way as a possibility:
Can P and R be brought under the general Laws/Rules of QP?

If we just stop trying to let the child overrule the parent "ONLY because we want the parent to be governed by it's child whether all parties (P, R QE/QS) approves or not", we free up a TON of resources of various natures (time, money, room, materials, technologies, ...)  that can be spend in focused research in QE/QS.
Who knows, accepting it as solitary Force might bring new ideas, technologies even, who knows?
Think of Star Trek's Replicator tech:
"Matter out of energy"?

Thoughts?   

[Origin]

1) Before ANYTHING, there was a ball/egg that held Quantum Energy, thus, no Physica nor Relativity.
Agreed? Y - N.

N.  You state there was quantum energy (whatever that is) before the big bang, which is just a guess.  So, no I can't agree with your guess.

2) If you still agree:
Up to the very moment, it broke free ... there was STILL no Physica nor Relativity!
And even up to a few Plank Moments ... past the point of Matter-Antimatter Self-Annihilation, Inflation, ... , up to the point where the first matter is born, from which the first Gen 3 stars are going to become, there's not much Relativity, nor much Physics.
Agreed? Y - N. (If no, please tell why. Thank you.)

N.  Even before the first matter formed there were physical laws.  Was does "not much physics" mean to you?
 

3) Now, IF you're still in agreement:
We can conclude, that both Physics and Relativity were born out of Quantum Energy, literally though indirect:
Through (inter)actions and their consequences and causalities of various variables.
Correct? Y - N. (If no, please tell why. Thank you.)

N.  I mostly disagree because of your made up term of quantum energy.  Maybe if you define this term and explain how a "ball of quantum energy" can exist it would help.

IF we all agreed up to point 3), it is "clear" that our current ideology is flawed.
Quantum Energy and it's consequential Science Fields, is not Physica nor Relativity compatible.
Can't be, I think, due to the simple fact, that, without QE, P nor R would have existed.
While QE COULD exist ... no, DID exist, in fact, without either P or R!!!
Thus: even if both P and R would vanish for whatever reason, QE will still be around, doing it's own thing, by it's own Laws and Rules, not even for the slightest bothering our ideas, our wishes, our needs for QE to obey P and R.

That makes no sense!  Quantum energy exist without physics, what does that even mean?

The creation of the car, then, = Quantum Energies and it's Skills/Sciences.

I assume English is not your first language, so let me tell you that sentence makes no sense.

Think of Star Trek's Replicator tech:
"Matter out of energy"?

Pssst... the whole matter/energy equivalency thing is from relativity!

[Eternal Student]

Hi.

Now, before this moment, and up to the very first moment the Quantum Energy began to break free, there was no Relativity.
Nor was there Physics.
Can't be, as, there was nothing to be "physical" or "relative" about.
Simple logical deduction.
I) Do you agree: Y - N ?
If no, please state why, so I can see the reason of your disagreement, thank you.

   No.
Why?  The lack of something to follow a rule or pricnciple does not imply that the rule or principle is not or was not there.
   At the very best it suggests that the rule or principle wasn't important and it might just as well not have applied.   However, this is very different from being certain that the rule(s) and principle(s) most certainly did not and would not apply.
   

If you agreed, we'll continue:

  Well, I didn't agree, so I guess that's where I exit.

    General comments:
   It's a fine story.  We don't usually write stories and inlcude them in Science text books or similar scientific texts.   However, if you are writing a story (not an instructional or factual text) then this one is fine.

Best Wishes.

[puppypower]

General comments:
   It's a fine story.  We don't usually write stories and inlcude them in Science text books or similar scientific texts.   However, if you are writing a story (not an instructional or factual text) then this one is fine.

If you are writing a story, where you begin that story has a impact on the context of the rest of the story and what the audience might assume to be true. The Star Wars Movie sequels, for example, skip around in terms of where they begin the story. These sub stories raise questions that can only be answered when the next sequel starts at a different point in space and time.

In the case of the story of the BB, where did the energy for the singularity come from and how did it come to that focus? This is a valid question. The standard theory starts the story too late to know the answer to these more distant origins; in the beginning was the BB. This cannot tell us about how these earlier origins might continue to impact our story. Instead we have to assume the energy was always there; period. However, if story could start sooner, these even earlier dynamics might tell us something about the present, we do not currently assume. Who would have known Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker's father from the context of the first sequel, if we did not have a flashback to an earlier story?

I like to start the story of the BB, before there was space-time, when time and space both acted independently of each other. This premise come from inputting the speed of light into the three equations of special relativity. This cause mass, distance and time to become discontinuous. We know mass cannot move at the speed of light and therefore become discontinuous. The same should be true of time and space as we know it.

All the things connected to space-time, like energy and mass did not always exist since these things need entangled space and time to exist. In this earlier story of origins, one could originally move in time without the requirements of space and move in space without the requirement of time. This is not how energy behaves, but energy can appear from this origin.

If space and time were independent all things would be possible; in theory, since there is no limits due to the physical requirements of space-time. An analogy is how the imagination can come up with ideas that can violate the laws of physics within space-time; fly to the center of the sun. The imagination is not under the limitations of practical reality like a lump of mass. From this information platform of endless options, what never existed before, can become manifest. For example, cell phones do not appear naturally growing in trees or mined in caves, but required the neural matrix of imagination to overlap space-time.   

In this earlier universe where time and space are decoupled, there would be infinite entropy; both random variations and infinite complexity. If this still existed it would be the drive for the second law; return to infinite complexity. If we could couple independently acting space with independently acting time to form a junction of space-time, we would also place local limits of infinite entropy. From this local entropy decrease, free energy would appear within the point of space-time, while the limitations of coupled space-time, would also appear so the path backwards, cannot no longer be direct. Still the second law will require ever increasing entropy until the inertial universe is reabsorbed and space-time again decouples.   

All forces in space-time create an acceleration, which has the units of d/t/t. Acceleration is one part distance and two parts time. Dimensionally this is space-time plus time. The extra time, beyond space-time is not dependent on space or space-time. The origin is still with us, as a time line. This extra time can also propagate without space requirement. It is the same in all places at any point in time; laws of physics.

The current story starts too late to see this. Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker cannot be related since they are so different. Only a different story origin can make this make sense.