[alancalverd]

So they won't be human - that's evolution of species.

Is it really a problem?

Only if you talk about "we". And AFAIK no other species gives a damn about intergalactic colonisation, or whatever "consciousness" means.

What this comes down to is your personal ambition to pollute the rest of the universe. Not sure the rest of the universe is sympathetic.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Only if you talk about "we". And AFAIK no other species gives a damn about intergalactic colonisation, or whatever "consciousness" means.

Yet.

What this comes down to is your personal ambition to pollute the rest of the universe. Not sure the rest of the universe is sympathetic.

If there's no other consciousness forms in the universe, then they won't mind, simply because they don't exist. But if there are, then they will either eventually get to us, or we get to them, or we get extinct first. We should be prepared for those possibilities.

[alancalverd]

Back to "we", I see! This is all vanity. Everyone should be prepared for his own death, and realise that nothing really matters in the long run - it's all just chemistry and physics.

[paul cotter]

Bravo!, Alan, what a wonderful philosophical thesis, worthy of the great philosophers of old. I am not being facetious here as I agree 100%: in the long run absolutely nothing is of any consequence.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Back to "we", I see! This is all vanity. Everyone should be prepared for his own death, and realise that nothing really matters in the long run - it's all just chemistry and physics.

If you really think that nothing matters to you, and act accordingly, then you are most likely right. Future conscious entities will ignore your thoughts. And you won't matter to them.

[alancalverd]

Everything matters to me. I do not matter to the universe. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. ΔS > 0.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Everything matters to me. I do not matter to the universe. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. ΔS > 0.

Only conscious entities can have values and meanings.
In an infinitely large system, the total entropy can increase indefinitely.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

All of known conscious entities in existence came from their ancestors/predecessors who cared about the survival and sustainability of consciousness in their future.
Similarly, all future conscious entities will come from their preceding conscious entities who care about their survival and sustainability. It's highly unlikely that they will come suddenly from a single random event.

[alancalverd]

Only conscious entities can have values and meanings.

Only a few conscious entities have invented values and meanings, and they can't agree on any of them, so the concept has no cosmic significance - just a blip in the random nature of evolution.

In an infinitely large system, the total entropy can increase indefinitely.

Speaking as a finite system, I can foresee the point where the next increment of S becomes irrelevant to the intended function of the system and the Cosmic Torch of Progress is handed to the worms.

[alancalverd]

ancestors/predecessors who cared about the survival and sustainability of consciousness in their future.

What evidence do you have of the postmortem aspirations of a dinosaur?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

ancestors/predecessors who cared about the survival and sustainability of consciousness in their future.

What evidence do you have of the postmortem aspirations of a dinosaur?

There's evidence that some dinosaurs cared for their young.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Only a few conscious entities have invented values and meanings, and they can't agree on any of them, so the concept has no cosmic significance - just a blip in the random nature of evolution.

A few is what's needed.
Those who disagree with the universal terminal goal will eventually become irrelevant.

It seems like you haven't followed the exponential progress in technology for a long time. It will lead to singularity, which is predicted to happen within this century.

[paul cotter]

Technology will advance, without doubt, but it will be outpaced by the multiple problems mankind is facing before the end of the century.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Speaking as a finite system, I can foresee the point where the next increment of S becomes irrelevant to the intended function of the system and the Cosmic Torch of Progress is handed to the worms.

Worms are just an evolutionary accident. If life also evolves somewhere else, they aren't guaranteed to have worms.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Technology will advance, without doubt, but it will be outpaced by the multiple problems mankind is facing before the end of the century.

I don't think so.
Thinking capacity of individual humans are inherently limited by the size of the skull, which was necessarily small to allow other functions required to survive sustainaby. The same limitation doesn't apply to AI.

[alancalverd]

Those who disagree with the universal terminal goal will eventually become irrelevant.

If anyone disagrees with it, it isn't a universal goal.

[alancalverd]

Technology will advance, without doubt, but it will be outpaced by the multiple problems mankind is facing before the end of the century.

I don't think so.
Thinking capacity of individual humans are inherently limited by the size of the skull, which was necessarily small to allow other functions required to survive sustainaby. The same limitation doesn't apply to AI.

AI can't stop climate change, nor prevent politicians from telling lies.

[paul cotter]

Nor can it solve food and resource shortages, out of control migration and subsequent wars.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Those who disagree with the universal terminal goal will eventually become irrelevant.

If anyone disagrees with it, it isn't a universal goal.

It's just temporary. Just like those who disagree with universal gravity won't exist for long.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

AI can't stop climate change, nor prevent politicians from telling lies.

Nor can it solve food and resource shortages, out of control migration and subsequent wars.

Why not? It depends on how much power you let it to use.