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If every possible future already exists but it just depends which way we go, isn't that just another way of saying there is no future?
Quotewhy would God act at all within the creation is if was all fixed? Well as far as I can see, he doesn't. Anyway, if he knows the future he already knows how he's going to interact.
why would God act at all within the creation is if was all fixed?
As far as you can see, yet according to scripture he does.
Wiybit you just keep repeating what I've already shown to be illogical, you're just trolling now. So I'm not going to bother repeating what I've been trying to get through to you, you need only read my previous posts again, if you ever read them properly at all.
Quote from: Wiybit on 30/03/2011 10:41:03As far as you can see, yet according to scripture he does. So what?
Now one twin decides to go on a short trip at 90% C. That twin trades some of his time velocity for space velocity to move away from his twin. Now they are NOT both moving through time at the same velocity
Quote from: Eric A. Taylor on 02/04/2011 18:34:49Now one twin decides to go on a short trip at 90% C. That twin trades some of his time velocity for space velocity to move away from his twin. Now they are NOT both moving through time at the same velocityI'm not sure I understand you properly, but are you implying then that time is not relative, but there is some sort of absolute standard of time? And one of the twins is going faster than the other, rather than just relative to each other?
boy meets girl, they click, they have kids. But that was after boy meets girl, they didn't click, they didn't have kids, so the future was moulded as soon as they split up after the first date. Their two kids tom and anne were never born....whereas after the click, fred and sue were born...
If the future already exists for someone in another frame of reference, then they are able to observe the results of those prior decisions.
The book I'm reading right now has made the claim that the future already exists. The idea is that all of space-time (past, present and future) exists as a lump. The example given was a loaf of bread. Each location and each event are points within the loaf of bread. The events that happen at the same time according to two different observers depends on how they are moving relative to one another. This was given as an explanation of Relativity. So if one observer is moving near the speed of light he or she will say that two events happened quite a long time apart when two stationary observers will say they happened at the same time. This would mean that someone is seeing what another would call the future.This bothered me because it seemed to suggest that the future is already set in stone precluding free will. The future is just as unchangeable as the past. No matter how hard I try I'll never prevent the launch of Challenger on 28 January 1986.There is another theory I've never been comfortable with that my idea settles. The theory states that anytime something happens that has a chance of turning out in more than one way a new universe is created where all of the possibilities happen. I've never liked the idea of new universes popping into being every time someone decided between wearing the blue or the green shirt today.But what if space-time was like a maze. One which you can not see what's ahead and you can only go one way. Reaching a dead end in the maze means your own end. When you decide to turn left or right in a maze you are not creating more maze, it's already there but you will never see that part of the maze you didn't take.So in November 2012 I'll be faced with an intersection of maze where I can vote for Obama or whoever the Republican is. Down one corridor is a reality where Obama wins a second term and the other where the Republican wins. Both corridors exist but we'll only see the results of one.