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You also ignored what I said about carbon monoxide molecules. Why?
Chemistry is all mess , it is easy to build a new chemistry with theories that are connected the same way
when I hold lead ball I feel that it is just matter, if I divide it 10 times I just got lead , that is my feeling and the feeling of anyone holding a lead ball
and when I see its microscopic photo I see protrusions with holes
When I think about it it is logical
-and solving the issue of particle physics which is still unsolved with an unverified string theory-
it's what I felt , what I saw and what I thought, i.e infinite matter, why do I believe in science ?
I believe what I see what I feel and what is logical and solve Chemistry particle issue.
Quote from: Yahya on 08/06/2018 18:28:20when I hold lead ball I feel that it is just matter, if I divide it 10 times I just got lead , that is my feeling and the feeling of anyone holding a lead ballThat's one of the problems with relying on intuition in place of actual evidence.
Quote from: Yahya on 08/06/2018 18:28:20when I hold lead ball I feel that it is just matter, if I divide it 10 times I just got lead , that is my feeling and the feeling of anyone holding a lead ballBy this same reasoning, you could argue that flesh is infinitely divisible and that you can keep dividing it into smaller and smaller pieces without ever reaching the point of cells because that is the "feeling" you get when you hold a piece of flesh in your hand
Then what about that photograph of a hydrogen atom I posted? Hydrogen is a gas at room temperature, so it shouldn't be composed of solid little balls of hydrogen. Any solid balls of hydrogen would melt and then boil at room temperature. How does your model account for the existence of small "balls" of hydrogen?
you agree it is intuitive ? I'm glad to hear this
as matter ? you won't even notice those cells or take them in consideration those cells themselves are infinite matter ,. as a biological system? cells are not fundamental rather it is a biological pattern contained inside deep concept which is matter.
according to my understanding , matter is matter whether it is solid liquid or gas , iron water and hydrogen are all matter , gold has protrusions and melted gold has protrusions as well , water has protrusions and hydrogen also, the surface of water seems smooth but it is in fact full of protrusions , hydrogen gas also has protrusions on his surface , you may ask why I am able to move my hand through gasses as well as liquids because yo simply cut them you won't feel gas on your hand because it is soft.
those balls or protrusion do not melt because matter is in fact infinite and it melts infinitely -liquid and gas- the protrusions are just a collection of this soft-infinitely melted - matter.
for infinite matter to satisfy absolute smooth surface should not exist , i.e there always should be protrusions on every surface- moving your hand through gas or liquid is just cutting that gas or liquid with your hand-
Quote from: Yahya on 12/06/2018 15:53:09according to my understanding , matter is matter whether it is solid liquid or gas , iron water and hydrogen are all matter , gold has protrusions and melted gold has protrusions as well , water has protrusions and hydrogen also, the surface of water seems smooth but it is in fact full of protrusions , hydrogen gas also has protrusions on his surface , you may ask why I am able to move my hand through gasses as well as liquids because yo simply cut them you won't feel gas on your hand because it is soft.Then those protrusions cannot logically be composed of the same material that they make up. If the protrusions in water were made of water, then they would have to melt when that water is a liquid. You are proving right here that you do encounter a fundamental change in substance when you reach the point of these protrusions. Those little spheres cannot be made of gold themselves. If they were, then they would have to melt and disappear when the gold itself melts. Since you agree that they don't, then they can't be made of gold.
but we have drops of water, drop a drop of water on a surface , you would see a part of sphere , protrusions do not need to be perfect balls , and things are different in terms of microscopic levels, for example a surface of gold bar seems smooth when seen by naked eye but at microscopic levels it is not , melting gold also seems to be more smooth but it is not , they are just "liquid" protrusions. gases also have protrusions at microscopic levels , when gases spreads they have some kind of form with particular volume, protrusions are these forms at microscopic levels.
but we have drops of water, drop a drop of water on a surface , you would see a part of sphere , protrusions do not need to be perfect balls , and things are different in terms of microscopic levels, for example a surface of gold bar seems smooth when seen by naked eye but at microscopic levels it is not , melting gold also seems to be more smooth but it is not , they are just "liquid" protrusions.
gases also have protrusions at microscopic levels , when gases spreads they have some kind of form with particular volume, protrusions are these forms at microscopic levels.
Quote from: Yahya on 16/06/2018 10:55:21but we have drops of water, drop a drop of water on a surface , you would see a part of sphere , protrusions do not need to be perfect balls , and things are different in terms of microscopic levels, for example a surface of gold bar seems smooth when seen by naked eye but at microscopic levels it is not , melting gold also seems to be more smooth but it is not , they are just "liquid" protrusions. gases also have protrusions at microscopic levels , when gases spreads they have some kind of form with particular volume, protrusions are these forms at microscopic levels.That text does not actually say anything real.And atoms still exist anyway.
Believe in what you want to believe , I believe in what I want to believe, Shalom.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 16/06/2018 11:50:10Quote from: Yahya on 16/06/2018 10:55:21but we have drops of water, drop a drop of water on a surface , you would see a part of sphere , protrusions do not need to be perfect balls , and things are different in terms of microscopic levels, for example a surface of gold bar seems smooth when seen by naked eye but at microscopic levels it is not , melting gold also seems to be more smooth but it is not , they are just "liquid" protrusions. gases also have protrusions at microscopic levels , when gases spreads they have some kind of form with particular volume, protrusions are these forms at microscopic levels.That text does not actually say anything real.And atoms still exist anyway.Believe in what you want to believe , I believe in what I want to believe, Shalom.
Quote from: Yahya on 12/06/2018 15:53:09you agree it is intuitive ? I'm glad to hear thisIntuitive in the same sense that believing the Earth is flat is intuitive or that the Sun goes around the Earth is intuitive...
What keeps those little balls of liquid from merging with the other balls that are touching them? You know very well when two droplets of water touch that they no longer maintain separate identities: they merge into one droplet.
You can also have droplets of water of various sizes, so why is it that the tiny spheres that a given liquid is made of are all the same size?
I think intuition here is sufficient.
when I hold lead ball I feel that it is just matter, if I divide it 10 times I just got lead , that is my feeling and the feeling of anyone holding a lead ball, and when I see its microscopic photo I see just protrusions with holes . When I think of it it is logical to divide it without an end.
Quote from: Yahya on 21/06/2018 21:27:56Believe in what you want to believe , I believe in what I want to believe, Shalom.So you have a faith based position, which is therefore diametrically opposed to what science is.
Quote from: The Spoon on 23/07/2018 15:14:25Quote from: Yahya on 21/06/2018 21:27:56Believe in what you want to believe , I believe in what I want to believe, Shalom.So you have a faith based position, which is therefore diametrically opposed to what science is. Not faith , but conviction.
Quote from: Yahya on 23/07/2018 15:49:26Quote from: The Spoon on 23/07/2018 15:14:25Quote from: Yahya on 21/06/2018 21:27:56Believe in what you want to believe , I believe in what I want to believe, Shalom.So you have a faith based position, which is therefore diametrically opposed to what science is. Not faith , but conviction. Which is the same as what say fundementalist christians have.