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Is The Free Will Just an Elaborate ...Illusion ? Hi, folks :Do tell me about it,please .
This topic has been covered previously in this forum on numerous occasions.If you want the opinion of the members of this forum on this topic try using the search facility ...http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=search [ some results attached ]However given your behaviour in the other thread you started on a similar topic it appears you have no interest in other people's opinions and are simply trolling this forum, ( anyone considering contributing to this thread should bear that in mind )
Speak for yourself :Do not under-estimate the capacity of judgement of these forum members .They do have minds of their own, remember .
Who said i am trolling ?
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 09/11/2013 20:52:15Speak for yourself :Do not under-estimate the capacity of judgement of these forum members .They do have minds of their own, remember .Other members may not be aware of your other thread and that you are simply wasting their time.You have your own fixed anti-science ideas which you obsessively regurgitate on a science forum. [ Personally I wish someone had tipped me off that you were just trolling before I contributed to your thread ]
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 09/11/2013 20:52:15Who said i am trolling ?I do. If anyone doubts me have a look at DonQ's consciousness thread where there are 33 pages of evidence to support me.
If anyone has something new to say about free will that might show it to be possible, it would be worth starting a new thread for it so that people can join in without having to trawl all the way through an old one before they feel they are allowed to join in. I don't think it'll have the legs to get very far though, because ultimately all we ever do is attempt to do whatever we calculate to be the best thing out of the available options, although there can be instinctive overrides which make us do certain things without stopping to think or which prevent us from stopping to think, as when a parent puts him or herself in great danger to try to rescue his/her child - this kind of instinctive behaviour can be selected for by evolution simply by being successful more often than not. Whatever the case though, the process is either going to be deterministic or random, so there is no free will involved at all.
On the trolling issue, at least if a troll is tied up here where no one is reading his posts other than a few psychologists who have an interest in trolls, that is not a bad thing for the world.
Grow up
Get a life
… who the hell do you think you are …
You will not get any response from me from now on , you do deserve none .
In discussions about free will, I sometimes wonder, "Free from what?"
Please do try to elaborate on that , thanks , appreciate indeed .That free will might be just an illusion does make no sense to me whatsoever in fact .
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 09/11/2013 21:32:45Please do try to elaborate on that , thanks , appreciate indeed .That free will might be just an illusion does make no sense to me whatsoever in fact .I don't see the need to elaborate. It's your job to provide an example of how you express your free will. Any example you provide, I will then deconstruct it for you and show that it is not free will at all.
Ok, let's start with the obvious at hand , as follows :I am answering this post of yours , as we speak :Am i not doing just that via my own free will or free choice ?
Quote from: cheryl j on 10/11/2013 07:12:32In discussions about free will, I sometimes wonder, "Free from what?"Relatively free from cultural psychological social biological ideological,sub-conscious ,environmental , nurtural ....factors that do shape our thought , and hence our behavior , relatively speaking
Human free will is as real as we are, basta .But , if one would believe that the mainstream materialist "scientific world view " is "true " = reality as a whole is just material or physical , then there is no free will indeed .Reality as a whole is not just material or physical , and hence the 'scientific world view " is ...false , obviously , thus.
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 14/11/2013 20:00:25Human free will is as real as we are, basta .But , if one would believe that the mainstream materialist "scientific world view " is "true " = reality as a whole is just material or physical , then there is no free will indeed .Reality as a whole is not just material or physical , and hence the 'scientific world view " is ...false , obviously , thus.Maybe so, but if one were genuinely interested in when or where free will occurs, science would be still be a useful tool for narrowing down the possibilities, chasing it into a corner, so to speak. Although, if materialistic findings or methods are always "false", then nothing can be ruled out, and no evidence is reliable in any experiment, and it's back to the futility of "we'll never know."
Is The Free Will Just an Elaborate ...Illusion ?