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General Discussion & Feedback => Just Chat! => Topic started by: Cosmored on 16/08/2008 22:00:40
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I'd never thought about this until I listened to this radio program.
http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=25600
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_op
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterculture#Sixties_and_seventies_counterculture
It doesn't sound like such a far-fetched theory when we consider all the other stuff the US government has pulled off.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8136133221213939183
People were figuring out that the govenment was lying to them about why they were in Vietnam. The counter-culture was thinking independently. The government was losing it's ability to form the people's political thinking. Whether it was a black op or not, the government used it to discredit the movement.
http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/chomskyin1282.html
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Q: When the Indochina war ended in 1975 you wrote that our nation's "official" opinion makers would engage in distortion of the lessons to be drawn from the war so that the same basic foreign policy goals could be pursued after the war. You felt then that in order to keep the real meaning of the war from penetrating the general public they faced two major tasks: First, they would have to disguise the fact that the war "was basically an American attack on South Vietnam -- a war of annihilation that spilled over to the rest of Indochina". And secondly, they would have to obscure the fact that the military effort in Vietnam "was restrained by a mass movement of protest and resistance here at home which engaged in effective direct action outside the bounds of propriety long before established spokesmen proclaimed themselves to be its leaders". Where do we stand now on these two issues--seven years later?
Chomsky: As far as the opinion makers are concerned, they have been doing exactly what it was obvious they would do. Every book that comes out, every article that comes out, talks about how -- while it may have been a "mistake" or an "unwise effort" -- the United States was defending South Vietnam from North Vietnamese aggression. And they portray those who opposed the war as apologists for North Vietnam. That's standard to say.
The purpose is obvious: to obscure the fact that the United States did attack South Vietnam and the major war was fought against South Vietnam. The real invasion of South Vietnam which was directed largely against the rural society began directly in 1962 after many years of working through mercenaries and client groups. And that fact simply does not exist in official American history. There Is no such event in American history as the attack on South Vietnam. That's gone. Of course, It Is a part of real history. But it's not a part of official history.
And most of us who were opposed to the war, especially in the early 60's -- the war we were opposed to was the war on South Vietnam which destroyed South Vietnam's rural society. The South was devastated. But now anyone who opposed this atrocity is regarded as having defended North Vietnam. And that's part of the effort to present the war as if it were a war between South Vietnam and North Vietnam with the United States helping the South. Of course it's fabrication. But it's "official truth" now.
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http://michaelparenti.org/Imperialism101.html
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By "imperialism" I mean the process whereby the dominant politico-economic interests of one nation expropriate for their own enrichment the land, labor, raw materials, and markets of another people.
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North American and European corporations have acquired control of more than three-fourths of the known mineral resources of Asia, Africa, and Latin America.
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Of the various notions about imperialism circulating today in the United States, the dominant view is that it does not exist. Imperialism is not recognized as a legitimate concept, certainly not in regard to the United States. One may speak of "Soviet imperialism" or "nineteenth-century British imperialism" but not of U.S. imperialism. A graduate student in political science at most universities in this country would not be granted the opportunity to research U.S. imperialism, on the grounds that such an undertaking would not be scholarly. While many people throughout the world charge the United States with being an imperialist power, in this country persons who talk of U.S. imperialism are usually judged to be mouthing ideological blather.
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A lot of people were finding out what was really going on. It makes sense that the government would try to discredit the movement.
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Is this supposed to be a Scientific theory? I haven't bothered to read it in detail.
You would stand more chance of getting a response on another Forum. Find a 'loony political' forum somewhere and don't clutter up one which tries to have sensible discussions, where possible.
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Let me show you where I found this.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showforum=209
There is a guy there named Peter Lemkin who finds interesting stuff and shares it with everybody. Only teachers are allowed to post there.
Why don't you think the topic is worth of serious consideration?
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I think sophie doubts it's worthiness because this is a science forum, and that's a political discussion.
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I should have put this in the "Just Chat" section.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?board=6.0
I'm sorry. Is it possible to move this thread to that section?
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Also wasn't IndoChina, part of Vietnam or Thailand or Cambodia by then.
What about the actress, Sharon Tate that Charles Manson killed a long with the others in his "commune" I don't agree with a political thing behind this one.
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What about the actress, Sharon Tate that Charles Manson killed a long with the others in his "commune" I don't agree with a political thing behind this one.
According to this video Manson ordered the killing but didn't go along with the group of killers.
I wouldn't be surprised if the CIA arranged for the deaths of a few famous people. If the government can plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks and make everyone think it was Muslims, it seems quite plausible that the government was capable of arranging for those people to be killed.
http://www.question911.com/linksall.htm
If the US government can train torturers and members of death squads to intimidate people who live in countries that have US puppet governments so that they don't get involved in any movements to get a government elected that represents the people, it seems quite plausible that the government could arrange the Manson killings.
(enter "torturer" and "death squads" in this search engine)
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/htdig/search.html
Also wasn't IndoChina, part of Vietnam or Thailand or Cambodia by then.
I think IndoChina refers to the whole area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indochina
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What concrete proof do you have for these Conspiracy theories as that is what some of them are.
Then I am sceptical
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What concrete proof do you have for these Conspiracy theories as that is what some of them are.
Then I am sceptical
Have you watched any of the videos here?
http://www.question911.com/linksall.htm
Watch "9/11 mysteries" and "Painful Deceptions".
This one is good too.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8989407671184881047&q=9%2F11
Look at the nose of the plane that hit the Pentagon on the right of this picture.
http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/wp-content/images/pentagon1_plane.jpg
It's too pointed to be the nose of a 757. That picture is consistent with these two analyses of the crash.
http://www.physics911.ca/Dewdney:_The_Missing_Wings
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/ArticlesMeyer3March2006.html
About American imperialism-- anyone who goes to live in the third world for a few years can learn what those sites I posted explain without even having to read anything. The people just explain it to you. I'd learned all about it that way long before the info became available on the internet.
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Here's some stuff I found about how the CIA can program people to do things and then erase their memories.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cia+mind+control+experiments&search_type=&aq=0&oq=cia+mind+control
The theory that the Manson killings were a black op seems more plausible than ever to me after watching that first video.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the CIA arranged for the deaths of a few famous people. If the government can plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks and make everyone think it was Muslims, it seems quite plausible that the government was capable of arranging for those people to be killed.
Is this the same government, headed by G.W.Bush? The same G.W.Bush that supposedly is the most stupid man in America (what a competition that must have been)?
How can Bush be ridiculed for his lack of intelligence, yet be credited with pulling off the 9/11 attack? How?
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Here's some stuff I found about how the CIA can program people to do things and then erase their memories.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cia+mind+control+experiments&search_type=&aq=0&oq=cia+mind+control
The theory that the Manson killings were a black op seems more plausible than ever to me after watching that first video.
Cosmore do you think that the world is flat or round?
BTW It is round and I have never nor will believe in conspiracy theories
as they are not based on real fact !! That is the only things I'll ever believe then the UK PM is brighter than GW bush lol