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Non Life Sciences => Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology => Topic started by: Eric A. Taylor on 30/10/2009 00:19:51

Title: How do astrologers take the discovery of new planets into account?
Post by: Eric A. Taylor on 30/10/2009 00:19:51

In ancient times astrology was used to determine the future by studying the planets which were the Sun, the Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. However that was not all that was out there. Uranus and Neptune joined the ranks. Then Pluto jumped in. Now that Pluto is considered "dwarf" planet along with several other dwarf planets. Do these other objects influence astrology? What about the trillions of undiscovered objects? Now astronomers are finding extrasolar planets! Do these influence the future (along with all the other undiscovered extrasolar planets)? Not only that but the fixed stars aren't fixed at all. Some of the stars are not single stars but collections of billions of stars, many probably have planets as well.

  Maybe that's why astrology doesn't work. All those unseen bodies floating around mucking things up. I have a head ache. I'm going to lay down.

Title: Re: How do astrologers take the discovery of new planets into account?
Post by: syhprum on 30/10/2009 07:21:18

The only planet apart from our mini planet companion the Moon that has any influence on us is Jupiter.
I believe this massive planet influences the sunspot cycle that in turn affects our climate.
Of course the time of year when one is born has a life time effect on one but the exact postion of planets is quite irrelevant.

Title: Re: How do astrologers take the discovery of new planets into account?
Post by: Don_1 on 30/10/2009 07:34:02

The fact that astrologers have been telling our future based on the position of the planets, when they did not know all the planets and that they have taken into account Pluto, which is now no longer considered a planet, but have not taken into account the satelites (or moons) of the planets, yet did take into account our moon and have not taken into account the asteriod belt (need I go on?) proves that astrology is an utter nonsense.

Title: Re: How do astrologers take the discovery of new planets into account?
Post by: Eric A. Taylor on 30/10/2009 09:30:30

I'd have to agree. However I need to correct you. Pluto is still considered a planet. Our solar system has 4 types of planets now. There are the terrestrials (rocky) planets, the gas giants, (Jupiter and Saturn) the ice giants, (Uranus and Neptune) And the dwarf planets (Ceres, Pluto, Eris, Haumea, and Makemake). I like the way Neil Tyson put it. "If you drive a compact car, you don't drive around wondering if you're driving a "real" car.

Title: Re: How do astrologers take the discovery of new planets into account?
Post by: Don_1 on 30/10/2009 11:42:35

Quote from: mountaineirc1969 on 30/10/2009 09:30:30

Our solar system has 4 types of planets now. There are the terrestrials (rocky) planets, the gas giants, (Jupiter and Saturn) the ice giants, (Uranus and Neptune) And the dwarf planets (Ceres, Pluto, Eris, Haumea, and Makemake).

Call them what you will, they are just names we attribute to them. Perhaps 'Sun Satelites' would be a better term, that would take in everything from Jupiter to a tiny spec of dust.

I can just hear it now......
'Dust particle D67584309321768765t being in conjunction with dust particle D5854865674535r means you are going to have a crap at 03.47 hrs. Best set your alarm, or you'll sh1t the bed.'

Title: Re: How do astrologers take the discovery of new planets into account?
Post by: Bored chemist on 30/10/2009 17:45:22

Quote from: mountaineirc1969 on 30/10/2009 00:19:51

In ancient times astrology was used to determine the future

No it wasn't, except in the very limited case of keeping track of the seasons.
Yhey pretended to know the future, but they didn't.

Title: Re: How do astrologers take the discovery of new planets into account?
Post by: Mr. Scientist on 31/10/2009 02:34:11

Quote from: mountaineirc1969 on 30/10/2009 09:30:30

I'd have to agree. However I need to correct you. Pluto is still considered a planet. Our solar system has 4 types of planets now. There are the terrestrials (rocky) planets, the gas giants, (Jupiter and Saturn) the ice giants, (Uranus and Neptune) And the dwarf planets (Ceres, Pluto, Eris, Haumea, and Makemake). I like the way Neil Tyson put it. "If you drive a compact car, you don't drive around wondering if you're driving a "real" car.

Bolded by me.

Reply: No it's not.

qoute ''Pluto is no longer a planet, according to a new official definition.''

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/08/060824-pluto-planet.html

Title: Re: How do astrologers take the discovery of new planets into account?
Post by: Eric A. Taylor on 31/10/2009 05:55:16

Like so many articles in newspapers, on the net, on Wikipedia, ect... It's wrong....at least not entirely accurate. It depends on what you call a "true" planet. Is a human dwarf not considered a "true" human? What is meant by "true" planet? (I know the IAU definition). If I say Pluto is a dwarf planet, isn't it just another type of planet? I'm not the one saying this. Neil Tyson has been saying it everywhere.

   Pluto is the only planet discovered by an American and we even let an ENGLISH child name it!!!! Despite England's planet naming track record. Imagine Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, and George (well ok Georgium Sidus (George's Star))? But then somebody else decided on Uranus, which to English speaking adolescent boys is a delightful name. As a bonus Mr. Herschel was not COMPLETELY left out in his name preference. In American history as I learned it King George III was sort of a butt hole.....So maybe it's a little fitting.

  In all fairness I've read an English version of the same period of history and it makes George Washington out to be a butt hole.

Title: How do astrologers take the discovery of new planets into account?
Post by: Bored chemist on 31/10/2009 13:06:07

Quote from: DiscoverDave on 31/10/2009 11:45:33

it's first important to understand that astrology is not a science,

So it shouldn't be on this forum.

Title: How do astrologers take the discovery of new planets into account?
Post by: Eric A. Taylor on 01/11/2009 06:59:20

I know that astrology is not a science. I'm just having fun and making a point.