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Quote from: John21 on 09/04/2010 10:28:15QuoteJohn, this is my Scientific Reply to Bilberry Extract POIS Prognosis.Best wishes for continued success!!!Thanks Demo, crossed fingers indeed !Perhaps a stupid question, but what's the advantage of something like Bilberry over Ibuprofen for instance, if it is the anti-inflamatory property that helps?
QuoteJohn, this is my Scientific Reply to Bilberry Extract POIS Prognosis.Best wishes for continued success!!!Thanks Demo, crossed fingers indeed !
John, this is my Scientific Reply to Bilberry Extract POIS Prognosis.Best wishes for continued success!!!
Since there are flu like symptoms and my lymph nodes swell up after orgasm I considered the possibility of semen retrograde where the body could be reacting to sperm entering the bladder and into the kidneys and being interpretted as a foreign invader since the testicles are outside our body to keep cool. After ejaculation I have semen(sperm) present in urine for a couple days before it becomes clear again.
Quote from: daveman on 09/04/2010 17:55:12Quote from: John21 on 09/04/2010 10:28:15QuoteJohn, this is my Scientific Reply to Bilberry Extract POIS Prognosis.Best wishes for continued success!!!Thanks Demo, crossed fingers indeed !Perhaps a stupid question, but what's the advantage of something like Bilberry over Ibuprofen for instance, if it is the anti-inflamatory property that helps?Not stupid at all. I have no experience with ibuprofen as it concerns POIS, but I am quite certain that I have tried Aspirin for POIS at some time with no effect. How could this be if bilberry is reducing inflammation? I don't know, good question though.
Quote from: Finally on 09/04/2010 04:48:33Since there are flu like symptoms and my lymph nodes swell up after orgasm I considered the possibility of semen retrograde where the body could be reacting to sperm entering the bladder and into the kidneys and being interpretted as a foreign invader since the testicles are outside our body to keep cool. After ejaculation I have semen(sperm) present in urine for a couple days before it becomes clear again. This follows closely what I have been finding about forced expulsion of the semen reducing my POIS symptoms significantly. Perhaps the action of forcing assures that the pathway backwards is closed.I went to Wiki though and they say that there are few negative symptoms from semen retrograde. I have felt like yourself though, that the forced retrograde coupled with a time developed sperm alergy or immune system overreacting to sperm, could be causing the POIS symptoms in my case.It was my 15th wedding anniversary yesterday, so I am in day 1 today [] But again, the forced ejection has made today's symptoms quite weak. I almost feel good!! Maybe not so much in the morning, but things are already looking up.
Quote from: Guthrie on 09/04/2010 21:56:06If this is this case, it would be nearly the opposite of the 'semen loss' theory of POIS. That is, the 'semen loss' theory hypothesizes that POIS stems from a problematic depletion of semen, whereas the 'semen retrograde' theory hypothesizes that POIS stems from a problematic retention of semen! a retrograde is considered depletion not retention.but i dont think pois is much about semen anyway.
If this is this case, it would be nearly the opposite of the 'semen loss' theory of POIS. That is, the 'semen loss' theory hypothesizes that POIS stems from a problematic depletion of semen, whereas the 'semen retrograde' theory hypothesizes that POIS stems from a problematic retention of semen!
Ive got my own 'personal' proof about semen not the issue with POIS as I talked about 2 posts on page 304.
Nice picture demo [] []
It was my 15th wedding anniversary yesterday...
I just remembered that a few months ago I've asked about my symptoms and added a link to that forum - in a medical forum run by a psychiatrist who is also a sexologist. Here's the link (It's in hebrew... If you want, you might be able to use Google Translate or something...):http://www.clalit.co.il/CommunityServer/forums/thread/567677.aspxWhat might be interesting is that he said that: "Just today this subject came up in the metting of the Israeli Society for Sexual Medicine" and that they didn't find one solution, "It's more a matter of trial and error". He said that "Solutions that were proposed are: Beta blockers, Testosterone, Anti-Inflammatories and more".I think that it's very likely that at least some of the doctors that disccused about that matter in that meeting have visited this site (before the meetings) and might base they're opinnion on this site.
demo...do you experience muscle tension or tightness during pois?
So I must ask, do we have a database of all thats been tried? Something that could be added to John's first post ever to link to maybe? To where a person comes here, sees first page, then blammo they have a link to a database of all the cures that have been attempted and their results maybe?
I think I do have an idea: I think we should take some people from here who suffer from POIS and lives in the same area and are willing to take part in a study. Than we should pick up a researcher who would agree to study them. We should consult within ourselves here, and also with that researcher, about the best way to use our limited amount of money for the study. I think that the following part is crucial: The study MUST examine us in a way that have the possibilty to prove that we have a medical problem. What I mean is things like blood test, X-ray's etc, as oppose to tests who relies on non-objective elements - because than people who would look at the study might say that "it's all in our heads", that's it's a pshycosomatic illness.I would like to give my advice for what study I would have chosen: We can take 10 people from here, who exibits signs of POIS, and than find 10 healthy people who are willing to particiapte in the study. Than, all of those people should be tested, in my opinion, for catecholamines levels and hormonal levels - if possible, in the blood (is there a blood test that can tell us what are the amnounts of catecholamines in the brain?). The tests would be in two phases: First test would be before having an orgasm (the subject would have to not have orgasm for at least a week before the test) and the second one would be, let's say, an hour or a day after having orgasm (it would be best if the people who have POIS in this study would be chosen so that they all start to feel POIS symptoms after a similar time after their orgasm). Than, we would be able to see if there is a decreased amount of those catecholamines and hormones in the two groups, and also to see if the amounts of catecholamines and hormones is smaller, or have been more largly decreased, in the POIS group.It would be even better if we take, let's say, 12 people with POIS and 12 healthy people, and divide them to 3 different groups (4 people with POIS and 4 healthy people in each group). Why? Let's say that we see a smaller amount of catecholamines in the POIS group who contains 10 persons than in the control group (healthy people) who also contains 10 persons. People might say it's a coincidence. But, if we would have 3 groups, and every time we would see that the amount of catecholamines in the POIS group is smaller than in the control group. It would have to be a big coincidence (reminds me of a chapter in seinfeld...) in order to happen.There is also another way to do the same thing: we can choose, let's say, 12 people with POIS and 12 people who are healthy, and to divide them to 3-4 groups and to right this here, in the forum, so that it would be clear that we divided them before knowing what their blood test results are. Than, those people should ask their doctor to give them a blood test for catecholamines (BTW, I would definitley include there dopamine and noradrenaline/norepinephrine) and hormones (I would definitley include there testosterone), and if they can't do the blood test twice, than they would have to do the only blood test after having an orgasm. Than, they would upload here their blood test results, and we would be able to see for ourselves if those 3-4 groups of people with POIS have a difference in their catecholamines and hormonal levels than the 3-4 groups of healthy people. For this, we don't even need a group of people who lives in the same area (It's even better when regarding science that the people would not be from the same area - becuase than people might say the the study tells us something only about the people in that area).
I went to allergist/immunologist and got a list of test done recommend by doctor. They arecd4 count, ebv titer, serum immunoglobins, sed rate, ana and a test for foods allergy. I am excited about this test seems very comprehensive and the nurses had to draw like five tubes of blood and they said i was testing alot. Need that bad news lol.
I wonder if maybe the resveratrol in bilberries/blueberries/cranberries is involved. Perhaps I will try a resveratrol supplement as well.
This is really interesting! If this is this case, it would be nearly the opposite of the 'semen loss' theory of POIS. That is, the 'semen loss' theory hypothesizes that POIS stems from a problematic depletion of semen, whereas the 'semen retrograde' theory hypothesizes that POIS stems from a problematic retention of semen!
Quote from: demografx on 10/04/2010 08:46:34Quote from: daveyboy on 10/04/2010 03:30:07demo...do you experience muscle tension or tightness during pois?No.No aches and pains?
Quote from: daveyboy on 10/04/2010 03:30:07demo...do you experience muscle tension or tightness during pois?No.