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Title: What would happen if two electrons were forced to fuse together?
Post by: science_guy on 24/04/2008 04:42:17
Assuming infinite possible pressure and infinite electrons, what would happen if two electrons were forced to fuse together?

or is this fundamentally impossible?
Title: Re: What would happen if two electrons were forced to fuse together?
Post by: graham.d on 24/04/2008 14:10:02
I don't think it is possible. You would be assuming that, by fusing, their was some very strong short range force that is able to overcome the electromagnetic repulsion so that whenthe pressure is released this bilectron is stable, even for a short period. I don't think this force has been postulated or has any theoretical basis.
Title: Re: What would happen if two electrons were forced to fuse together?
Post by: Kryptid on 24/04/2008 17:27:36
It might form a black hole.
Title: Re: What would happen if two electrons were forced to fuse together?
Post by: DoctorBeaver on 25/04/2008 08:20:56
It might form a black hole.

Your reasoning being what?
Title: Re: What would happen if two electrons were forced to fuse together?
Post by: Soul Surfer on 25/04/2008 10:05:25
Electrons have been collided at the higest possible energies all you get out is a load of new particles in particle antiparticle pairs plus the electrons there is nothing to make the electrons stick together.
Title: Re: What would happen if two electrons were forced to fuse together?
Post by: Kryptid on 25/04/2008 16:32:47
It might form a black hole.

Your reasoning being what?
Just that highly compressed objects form black holes, in principle. I suppose that the electric repulsion might make such an object unstable, given that the electrical repulsion would far outdo the gravitational attraction.
Title: What would happen if two electrons were forced to fuse together?
Post by: syhprum on 26/04/2008 00:28:40
Electrons do in fact pair up in superconductors but not closely enough to form a new particle
Title: What would happen if two electrons were forced to fuse together?
Post by: another_someone on 26/04/2008 00:36:30
Electrons do in fact pair up in superconductors but not closely enough to form a new particle

Electrons pair up even at ordinary temperatures in an atom - hence why some electron configurations are more stable than others.  On the other hand, in superconductors, as at room temperature, electrons still exist within the context of an atom (or at most, in a molecule), and so in an overall structure that remains electrically neutral.
Title: Re: What would happen if two electrons were forced to fuse together?
Post by: peterlowrie on 10/07/2015 03:22:05
There's no way for combining electrons or even neutrons to form black holes. Black holes being a myth. The EM force is 39 orders of magnitude greater than the gravitational force - gravity simply isn't powerful enough to overcome it to form a black hole. This makes dark matter and dark energy mythological also. Science is about observation and empirical data, not speculation or beliefs, beliefs are the purview of religion - not science.

:-) Peter
Title: Re: What would happen if two electrons were forced to fuse together?
Post by: chiralSPO on 10/07/2015 03:34:38
There is a minimum mass required to form a black hole, and two electrons (or even two neutrons) don't come close to it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_mass
Title: Re: What would happen if two electrons were forced to fuse together?
Post by: jccc on 10/07/2015 03:37:34
if you cannot put 2 electrons together, how can anything able to separate 1 electron and 1 proton?

isn't science says electron has wave property, maybe 2 electrons able to become 2 in 1 waveelectron?

in theory if 2 electrons can be lock into 1 piece, it will become 2 tiny dots with 2 negative charges.
Title: Re: What would happen if two electrons were forced to fuse together?
Post by: jccc on 10/07/2015 04:24:24
There's no way for combining electrons or even neutrons to form black holes. Black holes being a myth. The EM force is 39 orders of magnitude greater than the gravitational force - gravity simply isn't powerful enough to overcome it to form a black hole. This makes dark matter and dark energy mythological also. Science is about observation and empirical data, not speculation or beliefs, beliefs are the purview of religion - not science.

:-) Peter

you can say that again again again again!

who is going to listen? beside me.

electron emit photon? change energy level? graviton? orbital? standing wave?

my dear Lord!
Title: Re: What would happen if two electrons were forced to fuse together?
Post by: PmbPhy on 10/07/2015 18:38:28
Quote from: science_guy
Assuming infinite possible pressure and infinite electrons, what would happen if two electrons were forced to fuse together?

or is this fundamentally impossible?
It's fundamentally impossible.

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